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发表于 19-7-2013 21:13:58 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 harvey.liu 于 19-7-2013 21:16 编辑

http://www.oursteps.com.au/bbs/f ... page%3D1&page=1

看看隔壁的发言 都是一边倒的 支持该政策

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"一个船民20到45万/年:
At present we spend from $200,000 to $450,000 per person per year to detain them on an indefinite basis.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-po ... .html#ixzz2ZTdA48CP
20-45万X4。5万》90亿/年"

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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 21:21:02 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:13
http://www.oursteps.com.au/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=713967&extra=page%3D1&page=1

看看隔壁 ...

don't even want to register or could remember an account for their ugly web UI

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发表于 19-7-2013 21:22:35 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 21:13
For GSM, I don't think it's illegal for the Canada government to terminate all applications. Being ...

I am reluctant to explain whatever you requested.

I support the Australian Government's decision for this issue.
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 21:25:57 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:22
I am reluctant to explain whatever you requested.

I support the Australian Government's decisio ...

great, what's what you said zero tolerant to refugees? any references?
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发表于 19-7-2013 21:26:31 | 只看该作者
周星星1832 发表于 19-7-2013 21:15
我抗议了


星星 看看隔壁 已经在讨论 武装 拦截了


“唯一可行是边境武力拦截。开始会有衡突,会有人命牺牲,也不用管船民来自哪里,一概拦截在外海,就象其他国家一样守住边境。那么船民问题才会彻底解决。如有少量漏网船民登陆做黑民,国家也不会有多少损失和损害。按照现在卫星导航的技术,这是不难做到的。
而陆克文的现在这招可能还是花了大钱,问题不会解决,到头来澳洲人民还是会受到船民问题之害。
更大的可能,大选过后,如工党仍在台上,那么他们仍可能会再给船民网开一面”
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发表于 19-7-2013 21:29:47 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:26
星星 看看隔壁 已经在讨论 武装 拦截了

我很久没去隔壁了
哈哈
大家继续
我下了
有过三叶的潜力
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发表于 19-7-2013 21:34:13 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 21:25
great, what's what you said zero tolerant to refugees? any references?

When our government was first elected in 2006, we inherited a broken immigration and refugee system that didn't meet Canada's economic needs.

Bill C-31, Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act, outlines our Government's vision for an improved immigration and refugee system with a steadfast commitment to humanitarian obligations, family reunification and achieving our countries economic goals.

Canada's immigration system has a reputation of being the most fair and generous in the world.

However, we have zero tolerance for those who abuse our generosity, make bogus refugee claims, and take unfair advantage of our country.

For example, Canada receives more refugee claims from the European Union (EU) than from Africa or Asia. Nearly all of the claims originating from the EU are withdrawn, abandoned or rejected.

These bogus claims cost Canadian taxpayers upwards of $170 million per year just in processing.

This is just one of the reasons our Government introduced Bill C-31.

This is the latest step our Government has taken to reduce, and hopefully eliminate, abuse of Canada's immigration system.

The new legislation will make our refugee system faster and fairer, while weeding out foreign criminals, bogus refugee claimants and human smugglers who exploit our immigration system.

It will work to put a stop to those who take advantage of our system, while at the same time helping to provide protection for those who are truly in need.

$1.65B saving

Not only that, but Bill C-31 will save hardworking Canadian taxpayers $1.65 billion over five years in health care, welfare, and other social services.

That astounding savings really helps to put in perspective the magnitude of the abuse of our immigration system.

Finally, Bill C-31 would provide the government with the authority to collect biometric data from those seeking entry into Canada.

This increased security should prevent Canada from being a "revolving door" for bogus refugees including those who are attempting re-entry after they have been deported.

As fraudsters become more sophisticated, biometrics will improve our ability to keep violent criminals and those who pose a threat to Canada out of our country.

Biometrics would help Canada

The use of biometrics would put Canada in line with most other western countries, such as Australia, the U.K., the European Union, Japan and the United States, which are already using or preparing to use biometrics in immigration matters.

Your Conservative Government will continue to work to build an immigration and refugee system that boosts our economy, creates new jobs and businesses, protects bonafide refugees and attracts the best and brightest from around the world.

总之一句话 就是要tighten.
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发表于 19-7-2013 21:35:02 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:26
星星 看看隔壁 已经在讨论 武装 拦截了

不过我支持武装拦截
也许会死点人
但是总比总是有偷渡的小孩掉在海里淹死强
到了现在这种几天一船的境地
不强硬根本解决不了

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发表于 19-7-2013 21:41:24 | 只看该作者
周星星1832 发表于 19-7-2013 21:35
不过我支持武装拦截
也许会死点人
但是总比总是有偷渡的小孩掉在海里淹死强

yes! I totally agree with you. mate!
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 21:41:53 | 只看该作者
周星星1832 发表于 19-7-2013 21:35
不过我支持武装拦截
也许会死点人
但是总比总是有偷渡的小孩掉在海里淹死强

If you may be returned from death for a another life, I hope you're on a boat heading to Australia. And I would be happy operating a heavy machine gun to welcome you!
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 21:45:25 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:34
When our government was first elected in 2006, we inherited a broken immigration and refugee syste ...

"加拿大对难民的态度就是 0容忍,一经发现全部遣返"

ObViOuSly, you have some translation problem
"we have zero tolerance for those who abuse our generosity, make bogus refugee claims, and take unfair advantage of our country."
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发表于 19-7-2013 21:48:25 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 21:45
"加拿大对难民的态度就是 0容忍,一经发现全部遣返"

ObViOuSly, you have some translation problem

那是书面文字,你看看实际政策执行,康尼厉害的很!
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发表于 19-7-2013 21:49:33 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 21:41
If you may be returned from death for a another life, I hope you're on a boat heading to Australia ...

你这么喜欢boat people, 你把你house让她们来住,你供养她们吃,穿,住,用,行!可好?

welcome!
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 21:56:37 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:48
那是书面文字,你看看实际政策执行,康尼厉害的很!

so you still think, that Canada would not allow any refugee staying in their country, any one found will be returned to their country of origin?
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 22:00:20 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:49
你这么喜欢boat people, 你把你house让她们来住,你供养她们吃,穿,住,用,行!可好?

welcome!

If you look the data, all over the world, the average native to refugee is about 700, that means, seven 700 people would provide all support to one refugee. And in somehow you have also contributed something as Australia tax payer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis ... _refugee_population
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:06:43 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 harvey.liu 于 19-7-2013 22:13 编辑
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 22:00
If you look the data, all over the world, the average native to refugee is about 700, that means,  ...


别转移话题, 我说你说得这么来劲,你也实际行动一把。要是分点你家财产,估计你就不呐喊了。

Australian taxpayer (绝大多数是澳洲公民,这点你不能否定吧),也就是说绝大多数澳洲纳税人(公民),通过民主选决,选出了代表他们的mp,然后组成了澳洲政府,而今天澳洲政府(理论上是代表澳洲人民的) 作出的决定就是 “ asylum seekers who arrive by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees.” 所以这就是民意,请你尊重民意!
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 22:17:45 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 22:06
别转移话题, 我说你说得这么来劲,你也实际行动一把。要是分点你家财产,估计你就不呐喊了。

Austral ...

idiot I would say though we vote the same,
1. RRA is not free, taxi-payers would have to pay
2. Over sea processing would keep the same, tax-payers would have to pay too
3. New policy is budget neutral

So, Australian's choice is to continue paying for refuge programs, not more not less as yesterday



the same question to you, would support new starter allowance? If yes, take few jobless people your house and share with them,

be smart!
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:21:18 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 22:17
idiot I would say though we vote the same,
1. RRA is not free, taxi-payers would have to pay
2.  ...

搞清楚,我可不像你一样是什么 人权斗士

所以你就不用套我了 OK

原发点都不一样 还需要回答你问题吗?

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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 22:25:08 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 22:21
搞清楚,我可不像你一样是什么 人权斗士

所以你就不用套我了 OK

am I talking to another dcgx?
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:27:13 | 只看该作者
做接待难民的工作己经好几年了,真的不知该说什么了!
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:28:54 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 20:53
不赞同, high court 的verdict 理论上是要遵守 但是Australian parliament 可以通过立法把 common law ...

提英国的是你啊。。。我只是驳斥你说common law发源英国所以澳洲要跟英国一样控制难民而已。我还想问你呢,关英国什么事情?

两党提的只是政府提案,仅仅代表政府意见,你没必要去争说这是民意。没有一个人民在这个事情上投票过,算什么民意?你说这个是两党都同意的也就算了,说是民意真的太牵强了。两党都想把船民offshore processing, 是处于自己的地位和经济条件考虑的。双方都没有考虑过澳洲百姓或者难民。纯粹是算一个数字而已。澳洲缺的是check and balance, 都没有人去好好审查。如果管的严格点,就不至于漏进来那么多假冒的。现在又不从管理的根本下手,一棒子打去PNG。

不过放在PNG确实是有好处的。有的假冒船民觉得关在PNG日子太苦就不来了。

澳洲的日子再难过,跟战火连篇的地方比还是好多了,比饿死的地方还是好多了。人不能那么自私的。也不能因为船民里有一两个造假的就打死一片。按照以前的白澳政策,华人一个都来不了。时代是在进步的,人心却更冷漠了。

不要拿美国说事。南半球的事情关美国什么事?

Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:29:30 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 22:25
am I talking to another dcgx?

你有逻辑吗?????
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:33:03 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:13
http://www.oursteps.com.au/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=713967&extra=page%3D1&page=1

看看隔壁 ...

政策是有利有弊的。你都没有看清我之前说的。我觉得这个政策是当前情况下属于合理范围的政策

但是在财政条件允许的情况下,将来应该有所改进。首先是要有监管和审查制度,其次是改善detain的环境

不知道你有没有见过关船民的地方。比监狱都不如,很高很高的围墙,里面等待的人是很绝望的眼神
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 22:46:08 | 只看该作者
Ku88 发表于 19-7-2013 22:27
做接待难民的工作己经好几年了,真的不知该说什么了!

you should be the one must say something
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:49:25 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 harvey.liu 于 19-7-2013 22:56 编辑
EmilyS 发表于 19-7-2013 22:28
提英国的是你啊。。。我只是驳斥你说common law发源英国所以澳洲要跟英国一样控制难民而已。我还想问你呢 ...


谁说不能拿英国说事了? 你澳洲判决案子,很多case至少是要cite英国的吧。既然澳洲和英国有不可断裂的联系,澳洲就该学习,相仿人家的先进政策。

现在世界上主要的说英语的发达国家,英国,加拿大,新西兰都把难民政策收紧了,澳洲为什么不能??? 他们和澳洲一样都签署了那个所谓的协定。

世界是一个地球村,为什么不能拿美国说事,澳洲和美国还有 澳新美条约了。

反对党移民发言人说了,有必要,澳洲可以退出公约。 印度,巴基斯坦当年造核武器,不一样退出了那个什么核不扩散公约???我看没撒损失,还壮大了自己国防实力,成为核武器俱乐部成员。

还有既然澳洲政府是民选政府,理论上它就是代表澳洲人民的。澳洲公民投票选举mp,mp站多数的党派或者联合党派就组阁成为民选政府,这就是代表民意的,是选民通过投票赋予给他们的。你难道没学过这个基本理论???? 现在两党都赞成这个方案,还有什么好说的?你喜欢,你就申请加入green。

不要忘记了,所以的发达国家都是资本主义国家,马克思怎么教你的来着,资本主义是自私的,贪婪的是追求利益最大化的,所谓人权,福利等等,只是资产阶级及其代理调和矛盾的手段而已。

这个世界的order 就是 Anglo-Saxon order 是英国通过工业革命,美国通过两次世界大战建立起来的,所以我们应该fellow up, uphold and obey this order.


                               
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发表于 19-7-2013 22:57:59 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 harvey.liu 于 19-7-2013 23:02 编辑

澳洲移民公民部已经火速公布了 该政策,http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/novisa/

看来澳洲政府效率在某些问题上一点也不低下!

Arriving in Australia by boat means:

being sent straight to Papua New Guinea for processing
being settled in Papua New Guinea, not Australia, even if you are found to be a refugee
not being reunited with family and friends in Australia.

Is this legal?
The government is confident that all actions that are taken to implement this policy are in full compliance
with the law

看看澳洲政府的回答,还有什么好说的??

完全合法!
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发表于 19-7-2013 23:03:17 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 22:46
you should be the one must say something

What should I say? My job is help refugees.
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 楼主| 发表于 19-7-2013 23:04:23 | 只看该作者
harvey.liu 发表于 19-7-2013 21:34
When our government was first elected in 2006, we inherited a broken immigration and refugee syste ...

人才,人才,很久没有用汉语发帖了,

你这引用根本没有说收紧难民接受了-而是说增加防止作假。如果增加防止作假是收紧难民庇护的话,是不是说作假的难民庇护也是应该获得庇护的?

第二部分说可以节约$1.65B也没有说清楚就近是如何节约下来的,记住C-31不仅仅是针对难民的,是针对移民法案的修订案,因此在没有调查清楚前,最好不要结论。

也就是总的来说,没有看出内容来收紧对难民避讳的投入/配额
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发表于 19-7-2013 23:05:36 | 只看该作者
ricowang 发表于 19-7-2013 22:46
you should be the one must say something


你这么喜欢“人权”

这个国家人权最好。

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