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么事么事，欢迎多飘！

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刚才是飘错地方。现在是此路不通。

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不觉大半年过去了，好在不辜负好心的、好奇的朋友们的祝福，同时也算给持怀疑、甚至有点歧视的朋友一个交代，终于在悉尼找到朋友了！呵呵当然我要求的条件都具备。现在，平心静气地请各位朋友想想：我的要求真的就是那么高吗？呵呵，可能只是因为我来自大陆吧--如果是这样，我如果说有的人有点歧视，应该不过分吧？另外，再汇报一下：本人今年45岁了---既有点骄傲、又有点对同路人的鼓励的意味。祝福天下好心人！

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这个我最熟悉了，从小到大，到现在的FreeOZ，Bully我的人总是不断，张三走了换李四，不过我如今却是越来越强大了，小时候需要帮助，没人帮我，长大了，我不再需要任何人的帮助，只有自己才能救自己。

不就是打架么，谁怕谁啊？

最后发表： 青冥揽日
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LZ, 我很欣赏很欣赏你的感想! a good wife, 我曾经一直看后来看不下去的片子!

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这话怎么听着很有恐怖片的感觉……

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统计数据显示，移民至今王大夫每两年如候鸟一样回国一次，分别是06、08、10。每次回国之前必然折腾折腾，还没折腾出动静，其中以2010年最郁闷。所以我跟他真是没有猿粪，那么的接近都可以错过。没办法， 我住喜马拉雅， 他去海底找人。今年可能王大夫还是会回来，没准这次终于能够携家带口了。总之，王大夫如果真想来我们这我是没什么办法拒绝了。累了，怀孕怀的精力没了。他只要能找到我们单位大门在哪就随便来吧，王大夫一直念念不忘，不就是来刺激我么，这回好了，还是个孕妇状态，抗打击能力很弱。我是我们单位目前最胖的那个，没有之一。这句话不是晚说了两年，确实太困难。而且要来赶紧，很快我就要歇产假不上班，再回去就等明年了。

最后发表： choz
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这个就好像某国共产党说关于民主的辩论是浪费时间。

最后发表： choz
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支持！

最后发表： choz
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承认同性婚姻只是早晚，澳洲不可能永远停留在中世纪。

最后发表： choz
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How can we be challenging homophobia when we’re saying. "You’re equal to me but you’re separate,''

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回教徒和耶教徒一丘之貉而已，两者在对待同性恋的问题上都是错误的落后的。

最后发表： choz
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楼主太敏感太脆弱了！
你是对自己的性向信心不足吗？你真的觉得自己看了王子爱上王子、公主爱上公主的童话就会变成同志吗？那请问同志们从小看了那么多王子和公主的童话为啥还是喜欢同性呢？这不正说明性向是难以改变的吗？

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原文链接
http://www.thepunch.com.au/artic ... eal-dogs-breakfast/

原文很长，简要介绍一下吧，塔斯马尼亚最新通过借腹生子法案，这意味着，任何伴侣不管是同性恋还是异性恋伴侣，都可以通过人工受精的方式，而生育下一代。

举例说明，塔省有一对男同性恋伴侣，想要有一个孩子，通过这个发案以后，他们就可以其中一个人提供精子，然后找一个女人自愿提供卵子，和子宫，采用人工受精的方式生育生产下一代。这样剩下来的下一代的抚养权归两个同性恋爸爸所有。如果是女同性恋就更加方便啦，只要有人捐献精子就可以了，下一代抚养权归两个妈妈所有。

目前澳洲，大部分洲法律都允许同性恋寻找代孕和领养，今后由同性恋伴侣抚养长大的孩子会很常见！

Tasmania’s surrogacy bill is a real dog’s breakfast



A few years ago, my wife suggested that we get a pet dog for the kids. The arguments were assembled: it is good for children to learn how to treat animals properly, it will get them outdoors and off the computer, they will get exercise by taking it around the block etc.

By the time we got the cute little thing air freighted to Sydney from the breeding kennel interstate, we had signed for it three times. Once when placing the order for the dog, once when booking it to be sent to Sydney and one more time when I picked it up at the airport. No signature, no puppy. Not once, but three times.

And the point of this story? Well at the moment the Tasmanian Parliament is debating a bill dealing with surrogacy. The bill in its current form permits two men, two women, a single man and even a heterosexual couple to enter into a surrogacy arrangement with a female person, to be known as the “birth mother”, who will seek to become pregnant and give birth to a child.

Pursuant to the arrangement, the resultant child is to be treated as the child of a person or persons other than the birth mother. The person or persons are to be known as the “intended parent or parents”. Controversial? Well, it depends on your point of view.

Personally, I think there are a number of serious individual and social issues associated with artificial reproductive technology, including surrogacy, that we are only starting to comprehend and understand. It is only now that we are starting to hear from the young adults, born through artificial reproductive technology in the early 1990s, about how they reconcile and understand themselves having a birth parent, genetic parents and social parents.

The sound of the voices is gradually rising as individuals come forward and tell their story. However, what is surprising is that the proposed arrangements in Tasmania may be made orally or in writing.

Now, call me old-fashioned but if I have to sign three times before I get to take the puppy home, you would think that the so-called “relevant parties” to a surrogacy arrangement would be expected to reduce their proposed reproduction plan to writing. Surely nobody believes that the best way for the “relevant parties” let alone the child-to-be, to have any certainty about the future, is to settle the matter on a handshake and a hug!

One great strength of our federation is that when it comes to law making, states and territories can learn from each other. That does not mean that they have to copy exactly what others are doing. Certainly with respect to the states, they are sovereign legislatures and their elected representatives have broad law making powers.

Having said that, it is usual and I would argue good law making practice, to look at what other jurisdictions have done and set out to enhance and improve on what has been enacted elsewhere. Parliaments by doing this are not surrendering any sovereign rights. They are in fact making things better for their citizens by not repeating mistakes or clarifying matters that are doubtful or ambiguous.

For these reasons I find it baffling that the Tasmanian Parliament is pressing ahead with a surrogacy bill that has holes in it so large, that you could drive a fleet of Mack trucks through them. I say this because if you look at the bill in detail and compare it with similar laws passed in other Australian jurisdictions in recent time, it fails to address a number of critically important issues. Furthermore, with respect to what the bill claims to address, there are gaps and deficiencies.

I make these comments, not as some know-it-all legislator from the mainland, that I am not, but as someone who has looked at the Tasmanian Legislative Council Select Committee on Surrogacy report and other surrogacy acts from around Australia.

On the question of the bill failing to incorporate some key recommendations of the Select Committee, I can make no comment. I presume that the reasons will come out in the parliamentary debates. May I say, and I do so with the greatest of respect to the Honourable Members of the Select Committee who put together the report, it is very brief (just 36 pages excluding the index and appendix) for such a complex issue. Secondly, having only eight recommendations, a number of significant matters are left open or ignored. Why is this so, the report does not say.

In February this year, as part of the public consultation process associated with commenting on the draft surrogacy bill, I raised a number of issues. My letter was sent to The Director, Office of Legislation Development and Review c/o the Department of Justice. My five page letter outlining what I consider 11 significant issues was not even acknowledged. So be it.

However, what is concerning is that the bill, in my view, is fundamentally flawed. So what are some of the issues? I have already mentioned that leaving such a complex and potentially highly emotional arrangement to some oral understanding between the parties is extremely problematic. Leaving such a matter to individual and collective memories seems to be a recipe for disaster.

The bill in its current form prohibits commercial surrogacy arrangements – a position I agree with. However, the bill leaves it wide open for individuals and couples to travel overseas and procure a child via a commercial surrogacy arrangement. The whole integrity of the policy position that rejects the concept of commercial surrogacy is undermined by this key flaw.

The NSW Parliament last year when legislating on surrogacy, incorporated a specific provision that addressed this issue. By specifically doing so, the Parliament fortified the principle of rejecting commercial surrogacy; a principle that underpins the Commonwealth’s Standing Committee of Attorneys-General recommendations, that deal with surrogacy.

Some other Australian jurisdictions provide in their legislation that all prospective surrogate women must have carried at least one previous child to term before being eligible to enter into a pre-conception surrogacy arrangement. Indeed the Select Committee itself made this one of their specific recommendations. The bill is silent on the matter. Why?

The question of the genuine independence of the counselling that the parties will undergo remains unclear. How independent would the counselling be if the counsellor was in some way connected with the practice of the doctor or specialist overseeing the surrogacy procedure? This is obviously a serious matter as the bill places some significance on counselling.

It can be argued that clause 39 of the bill is poorly drafted. The prohibition on advertising is clearly stated in the clause title but, the clause itself does not explicitly deal with the issue. Why would you make such an important piece of legislation for who knows how many children into the future, a lawyers’ picnic.

Given the nature of the matter being considered there is a strong argument that the Supreme Court should be the appropriate court to deal with the making of parentage orders with respect to surrogacy arrangements. The bill provides that the Magistrates Court (Children’s Division) will deal with parentage order applications.

The bill is also deficient in not providing conscientious objection rights to medical, nursing and allied health employees who do not wish to work in the area of surrogacy. Why should individuals who conscientiously object to medical practices like surrogacy be potentially forced to work in such areas? Have we as a society become so intolerant that we are prepared to steam-roll over an individual, notwithstanding their deeply held personal convictions?

I could go on with a number of other matters. They are all there for anybody who wishes to examine the bill. As an outsider looking in, it is a mystery why such an important bill falls so short of the mark. The parliamentary debates will hopefully shed some light on these matters. I also hope, particularly for the future children in Tasmania who are going to be born via surrogacy arrangements, that their dignity and human rights are accorded the respect that they deserve and are not subverted by the claims and wishes of adults.

最后发表： chubbycat
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dcxg would need to get it tested

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视频报道看这里
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012- ... uality-bill/4228550

Tasmania’s premier confident marriage equality bill will pass

Updated Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:28pm AEST

Tasmanian Premier Lara Giddings says she hopes Tasmania will lead the nation to end discrimination for gay couples as the Tasmanian Legislative Assembly is set to debate a marriage equality bill on Thursday.

Source: ABC News | Duration: 7min 4sec

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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke

最后发表： 青冥揽日
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呵呵,悉尼的机会多些! 祝你们顺利哦!

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America’s Vice President Joe Biden has hailed LGBT activists as courageous, saying they have improved life for every citizen of the United States.

美国副总统给予美国LGBT平权活动家们肯定，他说你们改善了每一个美国人的生活。

On a campaign visit to Provincetown, he won loud applause when he told gay equality advocates: “You are freeing the soul of the American people.”
他还说：你们所做的事情正在解放全体美国人的灵魂！

Biden thanked them for advancing not just their own civil rights, but also the “civil rights of every straight American,” reports the Politico diary of the Obama Presidency.

他还感谢说：你们不但致力于你们自身的民权运动，而且你们的民权运动涉及到了每一个美国人。

“If I had to use one adjective to describe this community it’d be courage,” he added. “You have summoned the courage to speak out, to come out. We owe you.”

如果我用一个词来形容你们，我说你们很勇气可嘉，你们敢于站出来挑战不平等，我们欠你们！

President Obama pledged his support for marriage equality back to May, as the battle for same-sex marriage continues in various states around the influential nation.

美国总统奥巴马今年5月份宣布他支持同性婚姻，目前美国全国各地的同性婚姻运动正在激烈的进行中。

The new ‘Young Americans’ section of Barack Obama’s website has ‘LGBT’ as one of its topics. The President is quoted: “The work that we’ve done with respect to the LGBT community I think is just profoundly American and is are the heart of who we are.” See it here.


我们为了推进同性恋平权所进行的努力对美国有着深刻的影响，这样做也是基于每一个美国人意愿的。

最后发表： cherub
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小五我怀孕之后几乎就没洗过脸。除了洗澡时洗头发顺便拿水冲冲，洗面奶完全零消耗，目前还行。。。现在深深质疑保养品的效果。

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http://www.australianmarriageequ ... lity-bill-welcomed/

Australia’s marriage equality advocates have welcomed the tabling of a Tasmanian Marriage Equality Bill, set to be debated in the State’s Lower House this week.

塔斯马尼亚下议院收到了关于同性婚姻立法的提案，并且于本周进行辩论。

Australian Marriage Equality National Convener Alex Greenwich:

“This is a high quality and comprehensive bill that is drafted to withstand any High Court challenge”.

“The Tasmanian Bill is the the most detailed bill for a state marriage scheme that we have seen, and we hope it will also be used by the other states considering this vital reform”.

Mr Greenwich said the creation of a new opt-in register for celebrants means ministers of religion will continue to be free to refuse to marry same-sex couples.

“The Bill places no obligation whatsoever on ministers of religion who do not wish to marry same-sex couples, but should clergy wish to marry same-sex couples they are free to apply to be celebrants.”

Tasmanian Gay and Lesbian Rights Group spokesperson, Rodney Croome, said he is proud Tasmania is leading the way on marriage equality.

“This reform will help build stronger relationships and families in Tasmania, as well as increase pressure on the the other states and the federal government to follow.”

“The way that Labor and the Greens have worked together to develop robust legislation and implement a reform the majority of Tasmanians want sends a strong message to our federal parliament to do the same.”

Mr Croome said he was hopeful the bill would pass the State’s lower house, but is still encouraging all Tasmanians to take action.

“In the 48 hours until this bill is debated I urge all Tasmanians who support equality to contact their local MP and encourage them to vote for a reform that will do our state proud.”

Australian Marriage Equality and the Tasmanian Gay and Lesbian Rights Group have initiated an online campaign to empower supporters to contact all members of parliament that can be found here: www.tasunited.org

For more information contact Alex Greenwich on 0421 316 335 or Rodney Croome on 0409 010 668.

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澳洲来的中国同志一般也很悲观，悲观是长期生活压抑养成的，一时片刻不好摆脱掉。在平权这一问题上，我一直是比较乐观和激进的，和国内同志那种自顾自的小快乐思想很不合拍。我也看不惯他们的这些做人做事风格。这也是我保持联系的国内来的同志朋友极少的原因。

来了澳洲，就不用仅仅限于国内来的同志了，这里可以接触到来自世界各地的同志，心境和眼界都大开。我倒是极少关心国内和国内的同志了。

最后发表： xblues
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Stop using jesus as an excuse for being a narrow minded bigoted arsehole.

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Sorry you think it's intolerant of me to not tolerate your intolerance.

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太好了，正准备申请过去。希望未来更美好

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Same-sex marriage bill to be introduced in France this October

by Joseph McCormick
26 August 2012, 5:47pm



French Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, said the bill will be introduced in October (Credit: Jean-Marc Ayrault)
New legislation which will be introduced into the French Parliament as early as October will allow gay couples to marry.

Fulfilling a campaign pledge by French President, Francois Hollande, the bill will allow the marriage of gay couples as well as the option to adopt.

Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, had previously announced in parliament that gay couples would be permitted to marry and adopt children in 2013. He addressed members of the Socialist Party on Saturday:

“In October, we will send a bill to the National Assembly and the Senate to allow same-sex couples to marry. It would also allow them to form families and adopt children.”

The bill will be introduced to both houses of Parliament in October, both of which will have to approve the bill, after debate.

If approved, France will join several other countries in the EU which recognise and allow same-sex marriages. Some experts have speculated on the reception of the bill in Parliament, and whether it will be well received.

The Catholic Bishops Conference in France, in opposition to gay adoption, recently released the text of a prayer it recommended churches use, including a line which entreated children to: “fully benefit from the love of a father and a mother”.

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Marriage Equality By Christmas?
By Alex Greenwich



Tags: same-sex marriage gay marriage alex greenwich
It's clear that marriage equality will be a key issue at the next federal election - yet only state governments are taking it seriously. Alex Greenwich on why our federal pollies need to get with the program

With debate now beginning on marriage equality in the Senate, an on-going debate in the House of Reps, and legislation now hitting state parliaments across Australia, many supporters of marriage equality are asking the questions, "When, where and how?"

Same-sex marriage is very likely to hit Australian soil by Christmas. Tasmania and South Australia are the obvious starting places, both have legislation drafted and support from their respective premiers. But where does that leave those of us in other states?

In NSW the Upper House passed a motion from the Greens’ Cate Faehrmann in support of marriage equality with Coalition support, and in the Lower House independent Clover Moore continues to pressure the premier and state attorney-general on potential marriage equality legislation for the state with the most same-sex couples

In Victoria, the state Labor leader has declared strong support for reform, there is support from Liberals such as Clem Newton-Brown, and legislation pending from the Greens.

Clearly, the ACT has been a trailblazer in the recognition of same-sex relationships and is now also moving towards marriage equality. Deputy Chief Minister Andrew Barr is one of the nation’s most effective marriage equality champions.

In the NT, Chief Minister Paul Henderson has committed the ALP to a conscience vote on territory marriage equality laws.

Support continues to grow in WA, and in Queensland the removal of rights from gays and lesbians has sparked a co-ordinated campaign to challenge the Premier, who actually supports marriage equality, to treat all Queenslanders equally and fairly.

But a federal vote will be tough, although there are positive signs. The numbers are better in the Senate than the House of Reps, and in both houses those declaring "yes" continue to grow.

If Federal Parliament fails us we know this will only galvanise supporters ahead of the next vote. Polling proves enthusiasm for reform is growing despite resistance from some quarters. In each successive national poll more people shift from "support" to "strongly support".

This is because Australians increasingly understand this reform is about strengthening families, and providing loving and committed couples with security, protection, and recognition.

Australians understand the benefits of marriage, and that is why 61 per cent of married heterosexuals support a reform that will strengthen the relationships of their gay and lesbian friends, and ensure the institution of married is defined by love and commitment, and not excluding gay and lesbian Australians.

Jim Wallace and the Australian Christian Lobby this week displayed their ignorance on how important this issue is to Australians when they issued a statement calling on the federal government to "stare down the issue" and get it out of the way.

This completely ignores that fact that more Australians have engaged in parliamentary process to show support for marriage equality than on any other issue, ever.

177,000 Australians supported reform through the Lower House inquiry, and 44,000 Australians made submissions to the Senate Inquiry on marriage equality.

What Wallace and his friends Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard fail to realise is that many Australians are now emotionally invested in what they believe is a key aspiration for our nation.

While the states legislate for the reform one by one, the federal campaign will only continue to build steam towards the next election. This process started at the last election when this reform found its place on the mainstream political landscape.

Marriage Equality helped Adam Bandt win Melbourne, and contributed to big swings against prominent Labor figures Tanya Plibersek and Anthony Albanese, who hadn’t then declared support for reform.

We will now see the same thing happen to their Liberal Party colleagues, including Josh Frydenberg, Kelly O’Dwyer and Theresa Gambaro, all of whom know from their own polling that marriage equality enjoys widespread support in their electorates.

Just as Australian Marriage Equality led a targeted electoral campaign in the seats of Melbourne, Sydney, and Grayndler at the 2010 election, we will do the same in the seats of Brisbane, Kooyong, Higgins and others.

At the same time, we are seeing an internal push in the Coalition towards supporting reform, one that is reminiscent of the campaign that began in Labor after the last election.

Growing dissatisfaction with Tony Abbott breaking a Coalition tradition and denying a conscience vote has been voiced by Malcolm Turnbull, and by senators Simon Birmingham and Sue Boyce in their report to the senate inquiry. A number of Liberal and National Party branches have also begun passing motions calling for a free vote on the reform.

If the Greens retain the balance of power after the next election, and Labor shows more courage in opposition than in government, then the likely numbers will be even stronger.

We saw the same thing happen in Tasmania with the decriminalisation of homosexuality, which occurred under a socially conservative Liberal Government, a Labor opposition that was true to their core values, and a gutsy Greens’ leader named Christine Milne holding the balance of power.

Add to the mix that New Zealand is set to win the marriage equality Bledisloe Cup against Australia under a conservative government — no wonder many aspirational voters are becoming impatient.

Should the Feds squib, it is inevitable that many Australians will use the next federal election to vent their frustration, to the benefit of those candidates who stand up for the values of fairness and equality.

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支持啊~~~~~~~~~~~踩踩

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柴玲不行， 就是个投机的

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今天(周六)90多人参加单身聚会，明天(周日)男士仍有个别名额剩余。

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IQ 够了EQ不够

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  谁帮忙翻译一下啊

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如果性没有应有的吸引力和爱的压力释放的话那还不如手淫呢。所以结婚的目的不是为了性生活在一起，而是一个共同开创生活的开始，至于怎么样经营将来我相信大多数的初婚者是没有能力设想将来的。所以，我崇尚婚育自由，如果认为当初的选择是错的话。那么人人都有权利选择新的开始。

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一直是全职太太，去澳洲后，准备上班，或者自己干点什么

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找朋友？找我吧。你是在西澳的吗？

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我只喜欢麦当劳

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ACT's civil ceremonies get green light
Updated 2 hours 16 minutes ago

PHOTO: The laws will allow legally binding ceremonies for same-sex couples. (Reuters Andrew Burton, file photo) RELATED STORY: ACT to reinstate civil union ceremoniesRELATED STORY: ACT to debate civil ceremonies

MAP: ACT

The ACT Legislative Assembly has passed a bill to strengthen civil union laws, during a marathon sitting that continued until early this morning.

The laws passed with support of the Greens and will allow legally binding ceremonies for same-sex couples.

Attorney-General Simon Corbell says the laws restore legislation overturned by the former Howard government.

He says it is a milestone, ending discrimination against gay couples.

"There will no longer be a paper-based scheme, there will no longer be some somewhat embarrassing administrative formality that has to be completed," he said.

"It will be a meaningful, legally binding ceremony."

Same-sex couples in the ACT have been able to register their civil partnership since 2008.

The new bill will replace the Civil Partnerships Act 2008 and fully restore the role of ceremonies and celebrants in civil unions.

Mr Corbell says it is an important step towards marriage equality.

Last month, the Greens' support was not certain, with the party raising concerns civil unions could distract from the national debate on gay marriage.

The Liberals maintained their staunch opposition to the bill.

Ivette Gonzales from Equal Love Canberra has welcomed the changes, but says it falls well short of marriage equality.

"Having something is better than having nothing at all, to legally recognise their union. To have a ceremony with friends is so important to many," she said.

"But it's not equality. It's not the same thing that is given to their brothers, the parents, the sisters. They are still discriminated."

'Biological truth'
Jim Wallace from the Australian Christian Lobby says same-sex marriage is not a human right.

"Marriage is between a man and a woman. It's not a matter of discrimination it's a matter of biology," he said.

Mr Wallace fears marriage celebrants and photographers who refuse to perform at civil unions will be ostracised.

He says people who have refused to officiate or work at same-sex ceremonies in other parts of the world have been persecuted.

"There have been marriage photographers in New Mexico hauled before the court and fined, marriage celebrants in the UK lose their job, in Denmark a law now changed saying churches must give blessing to same-sex unions," he said.

"This is the problem for the church because freedom of religion and freedom of conscious are important and should not be invaded by unreasonable gay activism."

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dcxg agreed!

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原文，和下面的讨论都很有意思，太长了，不翻译了。
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4204460.html?WT.svl=theDrum

Licence to kill? Time to abolish the 'gay panic' defence

It is hard to believe the 'gay panic' defence can still mitigate murder to manslaughter in instances of unwanted 'homosexual advance', writes Robert Simms.