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我在我的http://www.freeoz.org/ibbs/thread-946991-1-1.html 帖子里面承诺会咨询移民局,发信了好久也没见回信,今天终于在我的垃圾邮件箱发现了这封3.17就回复的盼望已久的邮件,看了一下,我认为http://www.freeoz.org/ibbs/thread-946991-1-1.html 里面9楼我所说的还是正确的。现将邮件贴出来供大家参考。邮件里面红色标注的是我认为重要的信息,尾部蓝色的是我的原邮件。

Dear Client,

Thank you for your correspondence.

*** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ***

For information on how current processing priorities will affect your application see the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... ation/whats-new.htm>

On 11 November 2010 the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, the Hon Chris Bowen MP, announced the Government's intention to implement a new points test applying to certain skilled migration applications made on or after 1 July 2011.

The new points test is part of a series of reforms to the skilled migration program announced in February 2010.  It is proposed that the new points test will apply to applications made from 1 July 2011, unless the applicant is eligible for transitional arrangements.

Transitional arrangements apply to people who, on 8 February 2010 held or had applied for a Temporary Skilled Graduate visa (subclass 485).  Until the end of 2012, this group is able to apply for a permanent skilled visa under the points test in effect as at 8 February 2010.

Student visa holders who lodge an application for points tested skilled migration visas from 1 July 2011 will be assessed under the new points test. There are still transitional arrangements which may apply to those students affected by the reforms announced on 8 February 2010.

People who held an eligible Student visa on 8 February 2010 still have until the end of 2012 to apply for a Temporary Skilled Graduate visa (subclass 485) under the arrangements in place for that visa as at 8 February 2010.

More information is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... ation/whats-new.htm>

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MOVING TO ANOTHER AREA WHILE HOLDING A SKILLED - REGIONAL SPONSORED VISA:

If granted a Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa, you and any secondary applicants will have a condition (condition 8539 or 8549) placed on your visa which requires you to live and work or study in a Specified Regional area whilst you are in Australia.

A Specified Regional area is a:
*designated area if you were sponsored by a relative or *regional or low growth metropolitan area if you were sponsored by a state/territory.

More information on Specified Regional areas is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... esignated-areas.htm>
<http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... regional-growth.htm>

While the Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa does not prevent you moving to another regional area to live and work, generally, you would be expected to work and reside in a regional or low population growth metropolitan area within your sponsoring state or territory. You are encouraged to notify both the government agency that sponsored you originally, and the new state and territory government of your plans prior to your move.

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PERMANENT VISA PATHWAYS FOR SKILLED - REGIONAL SPONSORED VISA HOLDERS:

The Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa is a temporary (provisional) visa. Before you can apply for a permanent visa you will need to demonstrate that after you have been granted a Regional - Sponsored visa.
You must have:
*lived in a Specified Regional area in Australia for at least two (2) years *worked full time for at least one (1) year.

There is no restriction on the type of work that you may undertake and the only restriction is that the work is 'full-time' and undertaken in a regional or low population growth metropolitan area in Australia.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics defines a 'full-time position' as one in which employment is normally for 35 hours a week. There may be some occupations, however, where full-time employment is less than 35 hours a week therefore you may be able to undertake two (2) part time positions in closely related occupations that equate to 35 hours per week. Please also note that any employment that is less than 30 hours a week will not be regarded as full-time.

For Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa holders, only periods of work and residence accumulated in a Specified Regional area in Australia after you were granted the visa will be counted towards meeting these requirements.

A Specified Regional area is a:
*designated area if you were sponsored by a relative or *regional or low growth metropolitan area if you were sponsored by a state/territory.

More information on Specified Regional areas is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... esignated-areas.htm>
<http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... regional-growth.htm>

Once you have met these requirements, you are also able to apply for a Skilled - Regional (subclass 887) visa.

You also have the option to apply for a Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme (RSMS) visa at any time.

Please note however, that the RSMS requires that you obtain employer sponsorship in support of your application.

The Skilled - Regional visa does not require relative sponsorship or state/territory nomination in support of your application.

More detailed information on the pathways to permanent residence from a Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa is available from the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... migration/index.htm>
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WORK EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS:

To be granted a General Skilled Migration visa, there are a number of requirements that must be met which relate to your work experience in a skilled occupation/s. The 'recent work experience' requirement applies to all General Skilled Migration visas, while the 'specific work experience', 'Australian work experience' and 'partner skills' requirements only need to be met if you wish to claim points for that part on the General Skilled Migration points test.

The following information is a summary of the various work experience requirements and provides links to more detailed information on the department's website.

APPLICANTS NEEDING TO MEET THE RECENT WORK EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENT:

If you are applying for a Skilled - Independent (subclass 175), Skilled - Sponsored (subclass 176) or Skilled - Regional Sponsored (subclass 475) visa, you must meet the recent work experience requirement unless in the six (6) months immediately before applying for a General Skilled Migration visa, you have met the Australian study requirement.

If you are nominating a trade occupation, you will not be able to apply for a Skilled - Independent (subclass 175), Skilled - Sponsored (subclass 176) or Skilled - Regional Sponsored (subclass 475) visa based on meeting the Australian study requirement. You can only seek to satisfy the recent work experience requirement.

More information about the recent work experience exemption for recent Australian graduates is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... on/2-year-study.htm>

RECENT WORK EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENT:

To meet the recent work experience requirement (no points awarded), you must demonstrate that you have been employed:
*in an occupation on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL) *for at least 20 hours a week *in a paid position *for at least 12 of the 24 months immediately before lodging your visa application.

Note: If you are nominating a specified trade occupation, your recent work experience must be in your nominated occupation. Other work experience in an occupation listed on the SOL will not be considered.

The SOL lists all of the eligible skilled occupations for the purposes of General Skilled Migration and the number of points awarded for each. The SOL is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/sol/>

THE PERIOD OF WORK EXPERIENCE REQUIRED:

Applicants who are unable to demonstrate that they have, in the six (6) months immediately before applying for a General Skilled Migration visa, completed an Australian qualification at an Australian educational institution as a result of the equivalent of 92 weeks of CRICOS registered study in no less than 16 months, will need to demonstrate that they have been employed in a skilled occupation for at least 12 months in the last 24 months prior to lodging their application.

POINTS FOR SPECIFIC WORK EXPERIENCE:

Under the specific work experience part of the General Skilled Migration points test, you will be awarded points based on your nominated occupation and the period of specific work experience you have completed.

The specific work experience part of the points test is different to the recent work experience requirement which is a basic requirement for all General Skilled Migration visa categories.

Where your nominated occupation is worth 60 points and you have been employed in your nominated occupation, or a closely related occupation listed on the SOL, for at least three of the four years before the day of your application you may be awarded ten (10) points.

Where your nominated occupation is worth 40, 50 or 60 points and you have been employed in any occupation listed on the SOL, for at least three of the four years immediately before the day of your application you may be awarded five (5) points.

Detailed information on the specific work experience part of the points test is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... migration/index.htm>

POINTS FOR AUSTRALIAN WORK EXPERIENCE:

Under the points test, you may be eligible for award of Australian work experience points. Ten (10) points can be awarded for Australian work experience, where you have been employed in your nominated occupation, or a closely related occupation, in Australia for at least one year in the past four years immediately before the day of your application.

Detailed information on claiming award of points for Australian work experience is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... migration/index.htm>

POINTS FOR UNDERTAKING A PROFESSIONAL YEAR:

Under the points test, applicants who have undertaken a 'professional year' on completion of their studies will be eligible for award of ten (10) points under the General Skilled Migration points test.

Applicants wishing to claim award of these points must have completed their professional year in their nominated skilled occupation or a closely related skilled occupation, for a period totalling, at least 12 months in the 48 months immediately before lodging their General Skilled Migration application.

CLAIMING POINTS FOR PARTNER'S SKILLS:

You may receive extra points on the General Skilled Migration points test if your partner is also able to satisfy the basic General Skilled Migration requirements of:
*age
*English language ability
*nominated occupation on the SOL
*recent work experience or eligible for a waiver of this requirement by obtaining an Australian degree, diploma or relevant trade certificate as a result of the equivalent of two (2) full-time academic years of study in Australia *having a suitable positive skills assessment from the relevant assessing authority for their nominated occupation.

You cannot claim points for partner skills if your partner is an Australian citizen or Australian permanent resident.

You should be aware that if you apply for a General Skilled Migration visa that can be granted whilst you are in Australia (an 'onshore' General Skilled Migration visa) and you are claiming an exemption from the recent work experience requirement on the basis of being a recent Australian graduate, you will only be able to include your partner in your visa application in limited circumstances. They must be in Australia at the time you apply and also be the holder of an eligible visa.

More information about claiming points for your partner's skills is available on the department's website at <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... migration/index.htm>

EVIDENCE OF WORK EXPERIENCE:

To demonstrate that you have been employed in a skilled occupation for the required period you will need to attach to your application certified copies of your work references for any positions held during the relevant period.

Your work experience references must:
*be written on the official letterhead of the company or government department providing the reference *the letterhead should indicate clearly the full address of the company and any telephone, fax numbers, email and website addresses *the name and position of the person authorised to sign the employment reference should be typed or stamped below that person's signature *the direct contact number of the person writing the reference should be included in the letter *the letter should indicate the exact period of employment, including whether permanent or temporary, full or part-time, position(s) held, the main five (5) duties undertaken, and the salary earned - positions should not be described by generic titles (e.g. research officer, public servant) but according to the nature of the duties undertaken (e.g. research chemist, accounts clerk) *a payslip from your current employment should also be included - this is especially important for applicants working in government departments.

For some applicants (such as self-employed or contract workers), other documents which may assist you in evidencing your work experience claims could include, but are not limited to:
*contracts
*pay slips
*tax returns
*group certificates.

WORK EXPERIENCE IN AUSTRALIA WHILST HOLDING A BRIDGING VISA:

If you are using work experience obtained in Australia to meet a General Skilled Migration work experience requirement, that work must have been undertaken while you were the holder of a visa authorising you to work. This means that you may count periods of work undertaken whilst holding a Bridging Visa A or B as long as your Bridging Visa authorised you to work.

SKILLED WORK EXPERIENCE IN AN OCCUPATION OTHER THAN THE NOMINATED OCCUPATION:

If you are nominating a specified trade occupation, your recent work experience must be in your nominated occupation. Other work experience in an occupation listed on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL) will not be considered. In all other circumstances your recent work experience can be in any occupation listed on the relevant schedule of the SOL.

You can also claim points for specific employment experience. Where your nominated occupation is worth 60 points and you have been employed in your nominated occupation, or a closely related occupation listed on the SOL, for at least three of the four years before the day of your application you may be awarded ten (10) points.

Where your nominated occupation is worth 40, 50 or 60 points and you have been employed in any occupation listed on the SOL, for at least three of the four years immediately before the day of your application you may be awarded five (5) points.

Ten (10) points can also be awarded for Australian work experience, where you have been employed in your nominated occupation, or a closely related occupation, in Australia for at least one year in the past four years immediately before the day of your application.

Please note that on 11 November 2010 the Minister announced the Government's intention to implement a new points test for certain skilled migration applications on 1 July 2011.

For more information on the new points test see <http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/g ... ation/whats-new.htm>

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For any further enquiries about General Skilled Migration please refer to our website using the following link <http://www.immi.gov.au/contacts/visa-enquiries/professionals.htm>

Yours sincerely,
Zoe

Department of Immigration and Citizenship

Important Warning: If you have received this email in error, please advise the sender and delete the message and attachments immediately. This email, including attachments, may contain confidential, legally privileged and/or copyright information, the unauthorised use of which is prohibited. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the view of the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC). DIAC respects your privacy and has obligations under the Privacy Act 1988 (see Privacy Statement at <http://www.immi.gov.au/functional/privacy.htm#privacy>).

______________________________
Original Message:
From:
Sent: 17/03/2011
To: GP_out_sub44@immi.gov.au
Subject: GSM pre-lodgement enquiry




                               UNCLASSIFIED Below is the result of the GSM Pre-Lodgement enquiry form.  It was submitted  on Thursday, March 17, 2011 at 14:04:17
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GSM_PRE_PRIVACY_STATEMENT_READ=yes

GSM_PRE_SECURITY_STATEMENT_READ=yes

GSM_PRE_FAMILY_NAME=

GSM_PRE_GIVEN_NAME=

GSM_PRE_AGE=SUB44

GSM_PRE_EMAIL_ADDRESS=
GSM_PRE_REGISTERED_MIGRATION_AGENT=NO

GSM_PRE_ARE_YOU_IN_AUSTRALIA=NO

GSM_PRE_MY_ENQUIRY_2=WORK EXPERIENCE

GSM_PRE_MY_ENQUIRY_7=REGIONAL VISA OPPORTUNITIES

GSM_PRE_MY_ENQUIRY_14=Dear officer,

I have enquiries about specified working and living area for a 475 visa holder.
I have got a sponsorship from Murray regional area in NSW. I would like to know whether or not I can go to another regional area after I have done paperwork with Murray and the new offices. Shall I be eligible for a permanent 887 visa after two years?
Thank you in advance and I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Geaffrey
submit=Submit

CEM_FORM_NAME=GSM_PRE

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发表于 23-3-2011 16:25:04 | 只看该作者
好长。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 23-3-2011 16:33:51 | 只看该作者
红色,红色。其他的应该是移民回复所有邮件都带的。
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发表于 24-3-2011 13:26:19 | 只看该作者
谢谢LZ
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 楼主| 发表于 24-3-2011 14:39:27 | 只看该作者
依然有朋友怀疑475可以挪窝,我今天又写信了,着重让解释一下下面2010.12.17日发表的这段话以及conditions 8539 or 8549的意思,收到回信的话我会在这个帖子里面和大家分享。
Changes for applicants for subclass 475 and 487 – 17 December 2010
Applicants for subclass 475 and 487 visas who applied between 1 July 2010 and 1 January 2011, and whose visa was granted in this same period, are not subject to conditions 8539 or 8549 which require the applicant to live and work in specified regional areas. This affects the ability of applicants granted visas in these circumstances to subsequently apply for a Subclass 887 visa.

Changes will take effect on 1 January 2011 which enable applicants in this position to apply for the Subclass 887 visa, provided they meet the requirements of living and working in a specified regional area.
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发表于 26-3-2011 15:55:46 | 只看该作者
严重关注。非常感谢热心的楼主。
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发表于 26-3-2011 22:25:52 | 只看该作者
475的是不行。 176的可以挪窝的,我发信给移民局,移民局说我们不管你住在哪里,又不是我们担保你。
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 楼主| 发表于 26-3-2011 22:48:32 | 只看该作者
While the Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa does not prevent you moving to another regional area to live and work, generally, you would be expected to work and reside in a regional or low population growth metropolitan area within your sponsoring state or territory. You are encouraged to notify both the government agency that sponsored you originally, and the new state and territory government of your plans prior to your move.
只要你住在475地区满两年工作一年移民局就会批你的887。
告知你的担保地区你要走,为的是你的担保地区将来不找你的事。
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 楼主| 发表于 26-3-2011 22:49:35 | 只看该作者

请说明为什么475不行而176行,证据?
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发表于 26-3-2011 23:07:01 | 只看该作者
原帖由 雪梨等我 于 26-3-2011 23:25 发表
475的是不行。 176的可以挪窝的,我发信给移民局,移民局说我们不管你住在哪里,又不是我们担保你。


请贴上询问邮件和DIAC的回复原文,估计很有用
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 楼主| 发表于 26-3-2011 23:23:05 | 只看该作者

回复 #11 spring00 的帖子

真的感兴趣的话,发个邮件给移民局问问,最有说服力。我的论点475可以挪窝不影响申请887,有移民局的回信做依据。
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发表于 27-3-2011 02:29:08 | 只看该作者
原帖由 lijuv 于 26-3-2011 23:49 发表

请说明为什么475不行而176行,证据?



475不行,我是看了那个政策,觉得不行。

176行,是因为我问移民局的时候,移民局告诉我这不关他们的事情,又不是他们担保的。

如果有什么理解不对的地方,请告知。提醒下后来人


BTW:个人希望大家都能不受地域的限制,找到合适的工作
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 楼主| 发表于 27-3-2011 10:18:30 | 只看该作者

回复 #13 雪梨等我 的帖子

朋友,这种问题一定要有证据,否则会影响大批论坛朋友今后的发展。因为我是475,所以比较关注475,移民局回信里面这段话
While the Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa does not prevent you moving to another regional area to live and work, generally, you would be expected to work and reside in a regional or low population growth metropolitan area within your sponsoring state or territory. You are encouraged to notify both the government agency that sponsored you originally, and the new state and territory government of your plans prior to your move.
你的理解是不能挪窝?
至于176能不能挪窝,希望有176的朋友写信问问移民局给大家一个解释。
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发表于 27-3-2011 10:31:19 | 只看该作者
原帖由 lijuv 于 27-3-2011 11:18 发表
朋友,这种问题一定要有证据,否则会影响大批论坛朋友今后的发展。因为我是475,所以比较关注475,移民局回信里面这段话
While the Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa does not prevent you moving to another reg ...



进来打酱油的。但看到LS  曾经提到的一条:
Applicants for subclass 475 and 487 visas who applied between 1 July 2010 and 1 January 2011, and whose visa was granted in this same period, are not subject to conditions 8539 or 8549

根据LS的签名,貌似 LS 还没有申请 475  吧,至今仍没有visa grant 吧?。。也就是说,8539 or 8549  将适用于 你哦

[ 本帖最后由 3WU 于 27-3-2011 11:32 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 27-3-2011 11:20:39 | 只看该作者

回复 #15 3WU 的帖子

8539 or 8549  是适用于我,意思应该就是requires you to live and work or study in a Specified Regional area 。移民局回信还有一段话A Specified Regional area is a:
*designated area if you were sponsored by a relative or *regional or low growth metropolitan area if you were sponsored by a state/territory.亲属担保的是designated area ,州担保的是a.....,紧接着就是这段并没有指明只适用于2010.7.1-2011.1.1的话,While the Skilled - Regional Sponsored visa does not prevent you moving to another regional area to live and work, generally, you would be expected to work and reside in a regional or low population growth metropolitan area within your sponsoring state or territory. You are encouraged to notify both the government agency that sponsored you originally, and the new state and territory government of your plans prior to your move.
关于2010.12.17发表的那段话我已写信问移民局了,等收到回信再和大家分享。
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发表于 27-3-2011 20:56:48 | 只看该作者
个人觉得还是遵守担保时的承诺比较好
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发表于 28-3-2011 14:08:19 | 只看该作者
我认为最好遵守承诺。挪窝只会让规则越来越严,后人更难申请。什么事情导致你申请了那个地区的担保,却又不履行你的承诺呢?如果是担心找不到工作,干脆放弃好了,不然到哪里都一样
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发表于 28-3-2011 14:37:58 | 只看该作者
移民局还没回复啊?

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参与人数 1威望 +10 收起 理由
lijuv + 10 没啊,有消息了我会告诉大家。

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 楼主| 发表于 28-3-2011 16:29:36 | 只看该作者

回复 #18 lily211 的帖子

您的想法我不敢苟同。
在我的帖子里面,我从来没有鼓动大家去挪窝,相反,我和很多475的朋友一样都是首选在担保地区生活和工作。我之所以写信给移民局、发这个帖子,是因为我们有权利也有必要搞明白挪窝的问题,多一条路多一个选择总是好的,您说是不是?我也希望我们论坛里、QQ群里所有475的朋友都能清楚的明白自己的权利和义务。
移民的路很艰辛也很难预料,也许我们在担保地区工作了一段时间后又在其他的地区找到了更诱人的工作,那请问您,如果您有了这样的机会您会不会去争取呢?
至于您说的规则更严、更难申请,就更和我们八竿子打不着了,就算我们论坛里的所有的475朋友都挪窝,能对移民政策产生影响?您太高估我们的影响力了。
再次声明一下,我发这个帖子的目的是希望给大家提供有用的信息。有移民局的回信我就会贴在这里,怎么去理解,那是个人的事了。
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发表于 28-3-2011 16:59:20 | 只看该作者

回复 #18 lily211 的帖子

同意楼主意见。我们的首选地区都是担保地区,但我们拥有的权益是一定要搞清楚的啊!并且相信大多数人,不管是475还是176,都不会闲得没事就挪个窝玩儿玩儿,那不是给自己找麻烦么?

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发表于 19-6-2011 11:20:12 | 只看该作者

请教居住条件要求

关于居住要求,我的理解是只要3年内在偏远地区居住满2年就可以,剩下的时间你也可以到市区去住。大家说我的理解对不?
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发表于 19-6-2011 13:40:20 | 只看该作者

我的理解

475签证有效期3年,在这个有效期里面,我们可以任意选择居住或者工作的地方。
但是如果想申请887签证,则必须满足申请887的要求,
即:
持有包括475的签证,
指定地区居住满2年,
指定地区工作满1年。

所以,挪窝不影响475签证的有效性,但意味着放弃后续的887永居签证。

[ 本帖最后由 d0513 于 19-6-2011 13:43 编辑 ]
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发表于 19-6-2011 13:49:41 | 只看该作者
俺记得475是可以在找不到工作时与担保地区协商搬家。这个在orana的网页里面有提到,而且是一种要签字确认的条款。
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发表于 19-6-2011 15:54:31 | 只看该作者
我认识一个朋友,她就是475担保,但是挪窝了,前提是她首先选择了一个州,然后申请这个州同意接受她,她又给原先给她担保的州写信申请离开这个州,两个州都同意后,她挪窝了,当然不影响申请887了。真人真事,希望给想挪窝的同学一个信息。

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发表于 19-6-2011 16:09:13 | 只看该作者
475是可以挪窝的。但是,如果日后想申请887,则必须挪窝前和挪窝后都在指定地区。此外,决定挪窝时,也要知照一下原先担保你的州和接下来要去居住的州。

leciel95说得对,申请475 Orana担保的时候,的确要声明并签署一份commitment letter。这封letter就是要声明一下:如果找不到工作了,在经过和Orana RDA consultation之后,有意愿relocate到其它的region去。

顺便说一下,这封commitment letter是申请475 Orana担保必须要有的一份材料。因此,可以推断的是,只要挪窝之后还是在指定地区而非大城市,申请887是符合条件的。退一万步说,当前的移民条例中也没有说申请887之前的两年必须住在担保州,不是么?
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发表于 20-6-2011 09:19:11 | 只看该作者

继续请教-关于挪窝

担保时也有具体的区域的,因为一个州的偏远地区不止一个。比如说担保时你的声明是说在西澳的中部,但是实际上你跑到了西北部,但是中部和西北都是偏远地区,这种情况有人碰到没有?发生这种情况,如何处理?
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 楼主| 发表于 20-6-2011 10:54:24 | 只看该作者

回复 #29 阿杜 的帖子

除了NSW,其他州的475都是州政府担保的,不存在你承诺去这个州中部还是西部的问题,这个州任何475地区随便你去。
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