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发表于 13-3-2015 10:32:31 | 只看该作者
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发表于 13-3-2015 10:44:32 | 只看该作者
channel1016 发表于 13-3-2015 08:31
当然是真的啦!欢迎来蹭吃蹭喝!
5月15号settle,应该16-17号会搬家吧
东西不少,准备找搬家公司搬吧, ...

时间不凑巧,16-17号上班中,你把地址短给我,我放假回家之後去坐坐

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 楼主| 发表于 13-3-2015 12:48:20 来自手机 | 只看该作者
channel1016 发表于 13-3-2015 10:52
已经开始了吗?为毛什么感觉也木有?
还好飞机噪音对我影响不大,我睡觉很轻
但几年来飞机从来木有对我 ...

那是因为灰机不经过你家,只经过我们这。
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发表于 13-3-2015 14:41:07 | 只看该作者
channel1016 发表于 13-3-2015 11:31
当然是真的啦!欢迎来蹭吃蹭喝!
5月15号settle,应该16-17号会搬家吧
东西不少,准备找搬家公司搬吧, ...

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发表于 13-3-2015 16:34:16 | 只看该作者

有份干啥?蹭吃喝还是做壮汉?
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发表于 13-3-2015 16:36:23 | 只看该作者
法比加斯 发表于 13-3-2015 13:48
那是因为灰机不经过你家,只经过我们这。

那有可能是因为这个~要不你装个roller shutter吧,双窗太贵,这个还便宜点,能解决一部分问题
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发表于 13-3-2015 21:54:21 | 只看该作者
channel1016 发表于 13-3-2015 17:34
有份干啥?蹭吃喝还是做壮汉?

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发表于 19-3-2015 11:56:38 | 只看该作者
请问,这航道改的,对于我家,parkwood和我爸妈家willetton,影响大吗?我应该是赞同改,还是不赞同改啊?
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发表于 21-3-2015 10:00:58 | 只看该作者
我去空管局的网站上看了一下,其实Riversea上面有很多的飞机通过,但没有人投诉,因为飞机高度高。
因为飞机汽车噪音是点音源,球面波声音强度与距离的平方成反比。
我所收到的电邮说这个方案对Canning Vale相对有利,现把它贴上来。

What is changing:

1. We will as SNAG neighbourhoods all have a night time-curfew from 10 pm to 5 am. This concerns only 7-9 planes but they come at a horrible moment of the night, and I have had a large number of emails of people who were extremely happy about this. ASA has made this as a promise to us, at the same time where the curfew in Sydney and Adelaide will be lifted, so I think this is a major step forward. Had we not pushed this, we would have seen an ever growing number of planes each night, and as you will notice, from 1 may the largest plane in the world, the Airbus 380, will leave at 10.10 pm from the airport. I am sure that will be noisy. The planes will now follow a slightly left turn from the airport, going over industrial areas and then go straight over Jandakot airport. This can be done, as there is hardly any airtraffic at Jandakot at night. We may be freed of 7-9 nightplanes now, but in 5 years it would have been more than doubled, but our night rest remains guaranteed.

ASA has the legal duty to inform those who are affected (a small part of Canning Vale) first, and they may protest, but the trial of 12 months will start between august and november and in similar situations in the past, neighjbourhoods have never been able to reverse the decision. Especially in this case it will be impossible since Canning Vale is profiting from a new rule that they will be freed of 1100 landing planes per year that fly at 1500 feet. By the time the nightplanes have reached Canning Vale they are at 7000 feet !

Some people complain 7-9 planes is not much, but remember it are the nightplanes. Were it planes in the middle of the day I would agree. From the begiining we have asked for a curfew, and we got it.
2.We had many planes over the SNAG neighbourhood at any time of the day, especially between 5 and 7 am, because runway 21 over us was the ‘preferred runway’. As you know, planes start and land against the wind, but they tolerate a little bit of tailwind, say 5 knots as in internationally accepted. Air traffic control looks at 4:30 am where the wind comes from. Is that from the south, they will send them over us. Is that from the nort, or north west or north east and is less than 5 knots, they will also send them over us, as we are the preferred runway.

What changed : Runway 21 is from May 1 no longer the preferred runway. I think a lot of people did not really understand what that means. If at 4:30 it is windstill, ATC can send down the planes south or north, at their choice. However, if there is only a SLIGHT breeze from the north, they will now go out north, whereas in the past we would have had them over us. We will have to start counting from May 1 what a difference this makes, but when it was trialled a few weeks ago, i was quite positively surprised that more planes went out north.

That this is something good for us, is proven by the fact that Guildford residents are protesting loudly, as they have noticed the difference. However, in contrast to my number 1 above, there is no trial for this, as the decision has been taken. Guildford is under a flightpath that has always been there and for every plane that starts their way, they will miss a landing plane. Apart from that, Guildford can look forward to reducing the number of planes with 50% once the new runway is made.

The brochure mentioned that there will be no change in policy for flights between 5 and 9 am. This does not mean that they will all send them over us, but that once a certain direction of flying ios tarted at 5 am, there can be no change till 9 am. Depending on the wind this is good or bad for us. This week there was a slight northerly, so all planes at 5 am left north. Just before 6 the wind turned south, so they should have come over us. However, following the rules, no change in direction was made and the planes kept leaving north. This is because between 5 and 9 an enormous number of planes are lining up, like on the freeway for take-off. If you then change the departure direction, these planes would need a reverse gear to have the whole queue lined up drive backwards and taxi to the end of the runway.

Obviously, if the wind at 5 am is from the south, the planes will start to the south and keep doing so till 9 am.

The Noise Ombudsman has vehemently opposed using RWY 24 over Belmont as departure as houses are only 900 m from the airport whereas our runway (Queens Park) has houses at 3.5 km from the runway. I disagree with that viewpoint, but ASA and ANO are firm on that.

So: we will have no more planes between 10 pm and 5 am from August or November and we will have many more planes going out north at any time of the day as our runway is no longer the preferred runway.
I have said in the thankword to ASA and ANO that our action would not stop here, and they know that and there will be further improvements as we go, they have promised.

i was just slightly disappointed by some members who wrote me that they are totally dissatisfied and who quite agressively wrote to ASA, which is always counterproductive. One should realise that the SNAG neighbourhoods have allowed this all to happen between 2007 and 2014, which is when we all started our action. 12 months into the resistance we have already this first succes.

I call that a winning strategy. Sorry if you disagree. Things never happen overnight, especially not in the world of airports, airplanes etc.

I have attached the flyer that was distributed on the evening itself

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发表于 21-3-2015 17:22:27 | 只看该作者
看了下地图,感觉到达Canning Vale那里飞机已经比较高了,噪音影响应该不大.
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发表于 21-3-2015 21:34:14 | 只看该作者
大家说好的周六抗议签名呢?
有没有人参与抗议的?
CANNINGVALE 的兄弟姐妹说一声
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发表于 22-3-2015 00:12:17 来自手机 | 只看该作者
看红色标出的部分 貌似无需抗议啊
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发表于 22-3-2015 11:22:28 来自手机 | 只看该作者
Queen park 是不是得救了 呵呵
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发表于 26-3-2015 16:27:11 | 只看该作者
Smart Tracking will immediately result in about 1100 fewer flights a year at low level at night for suburbs between Canning Vale and Casuarina.(图1)看图1就知道受利的主要是Langford, Thornlie and Gosnells区。对Canning Vale 区好处有限。
It is expected aircraft on departure over Canning Vale will be above 4500 feet—the noise impact is likely to be noticeable, however, will be offset by 1100 fewer arrivals a year at 2000 feet over this area as a result of introducing Smart Tracking.
Once past Canning Vale, it is expected most aircraft will be above 7000 feet when next flying over a residential area and are not likely to be noticeable.(图2)对Canning Vale 区的影响是相当大,从头上经过的时候只有4500 feet,也就是1200-1300米。
出处:http://www.airservicesaustralia. ... -improvements-2015/

不知道上面那位同学的对Canning Vale区利大于弊的结论是哪里来的。
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发表于 26-3-2015 20:05:57 | 只看该作者
如果飞机能往北面飞就好了。。。
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发表于 26-3-2015 20:43:03 来自手机 | 只看该作者
西澳电工 发表于 26-3-2015 21:05
如果飞机能往北面飞就好了。。。

若有这个签名,一定参加。
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发表于 26-3-2015 21:06:32 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 zookey 于 26-3-2015 23:08 编辑
leonhe 发表于 26-3-2015 17:27
Smart Tracking will immediately result in about 1100 fewer flights a year at low level at night for  ...


第一,启用Smart Tracking会每年减少1100架次飞机飞临Canning Vale,这1100架飞机飞机以前经过canning vale时的高度是2000feet
第二,启用Smart Tracking,离港飞机在canning vale上空高于4500 feet,且飞离canning vale后大部分高于7000 feet。4000-7000 feet的飞机noticable, 7000以上的不noticable。

上面红色上下文原文是:
ASA有义务告知被影响的居民(canning vale的一小部分),他们可能会抗议,但是8月到11月的试运行在之前也进行过,居民从来没有成功逆转过类似决定。 尤其是这次变化更不可能被成功逆转,因为Canning vale会得益于新规定,飞临canning vale上空1500feet的飞机每年会减少1100架次。 而且新规定中夜班飞机抵达canning vale的时候飞行高度是7000feet

对原文的理解没错吧

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发表于 26-3-2015 21:49:52 | 只看该作者
zookey 发表于 26-3-2015 22:06
第一,启用Smart Tracking会每年减少1100架次飞机飞临Canning Vale,这1100架飞机飞机以前经过canning va ...

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发表于 26-3-2015 22:55:42 | 只看该作者
MD 大飞机能垂直起降就好了。
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 楼主| 发表于 26-3-2015 23:41:31 | 只看该作者
西澳电工 发表于 19-3-2015 12:56
请问,这航道改的,对于我家,parkwood和我爸妈家willetton,影响大吗?我应该是赞同改,还是不赞同改啊?

看图显示貌似不经过PARKWOOD,WILLTTON更加没有影响了。
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 楼主| 发表于 26-3-2015 23:46:26 | 只看该作者
8080 发表于 21-3-2015 11:00
我去空管局的网站上看了一下,其实Riversea上面有很多的飞机通过,但没有人投诉,因为飞机高度高。
因为飞 ...

看这篇文章的确是有利,现在每天晚上都有飞机在头顶飞过,确实飞得挺低的。不过我转载的这篇新闻英文原文的确说是shelly及附近地区居民投诉,sunday TIMES 也报道了才分流一些晚上航班过来。
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 楼主| 发表于 26-3-2015 23:52:30 | 只看该作者
有没人知道什么是SMART TRACKING?为什么这个可以让每年飞临CV的飞机减少1100辆?
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发表于 27-3-2015 01:12:05 | 只看该作者
法比加斯 发表于 27-3-2015 00:46
看这篇文章的确是有利,现在每天晚上都有飞机在头顶飞过,确实飞得挺低的。不过我转载的这篇新闻英文原文 ...

首先对南边都有利的是南边不再作为起飞的优先航道,这意味着低速度的北风得向北起飞而不是向南起飞。
对Parkwood,Willetton, Riverton, Shelley, Rossmoyne, Salter  Point, Applecross,Nedlands来说,白天飞机更多,考虑到降低噪音,晚上10点到早上5点无飞机飞过。晚上飞过CV要求高度超过7000英尺,这样基本上感觉不到,特别是房内。
这可能是Rossmoyne, Salter Point和Shelley等抗议争取来的,应该算是在降低晚上噪音又平衡各方的方案吧。
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发表于 10-4-2015 22:36:59 | 只看该作者
感觉最近飞机很频繁,,,不知道是Jandakot飞来的还是大飞机场飞来的。。。各位CV的同志们有没有感觉。。还是我才搬来感觉太灵敏了= =
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发表于 11-4-2015 01:11:50 | 只看该作者
8080 发表于 27-3-2015 01:12
首先对南边都有利的是南边不再作为起飞的优先航道,这意味着低速度的北风得向北起飞而不是向南起飞。
对 ...

我也不是很明白为什么晚上可以飞高一点不扰民,白天为什么不可以?
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发表于 11-4-2015 01:47:13 | 只看该作者
最近的确是多了很多飞机,看样子不是jandakot的小飞机,都是大型的载客飞机.
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 楼主| 发表于 11-4-2015 02:03:32 来自手机 | 只看该作者
meng52021 发表于 10-4-2015 22:36
感觉最近飞机很频繁,,,不知道是Jandakot飞来的还是大飞机场飞来的。。。各位CV的同志们有没有感觉。。还 ...

有大的也有小的,习惯了就好。
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 楼主| 发表于 11-4-2015 02:05:44 来自手机 | 只看该作者
韩国美妆 发表于 11-4-2015 01:11
我也不是很明白为什么晚上可以飞高一点不扰民,白天为什么不可以?

白天貌似都是小飞机?
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 楼主| 发表于 11-4-2015 02:09:53 来自手机 | 只看该作者
vinvin123 发表于 11-4-2015 01:47
最近的确是多了很多飞机,看样子不是jandakot的小飞机,都是大型的载客飞机.

我刚搬来不久,大飞机不是一直都有的吗?
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发表于 11-4-2015 15:42:40 | 只看该作者
搬来网络安不上,电影看不了,家里安静的只能听飞机声了。。。感觉日子好绝望= =
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