给客户开发系统

DDD888

我在想给客户开发系统，如果客户要求拥有该软件系统的知识产权，我只不过是为他写软件，如果客户看到比我开发更便宜的，他就会换一个人去做。

如何防止这种事的发生呢？我想就是选个比较偏的编程语言来开发。例如现在都是用java j2ee或者asp.net mvc开发网站，如果我去接系统，我就选个delphi,那以后和我竞争delphi的人比竞争c#,java的人要少许多

当然前提是客户对编程语言是不懂的，大家以为这样如何？

DDD888

给别人开发系统，有时很难说我拥有知识产权，我只不过是个打工的人啦

周星星1832

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你本来就沒有。。你随便去freelancer看看。。那么多人给别人开发。。。

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 07:16
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你本来就沒有。。你随便去freelancer看看。。那么多人给别人开发。。。

What do you think to pickup a non mainstream programming language to develop software to guarantee job safety?

周星星1832

DDD888 发表于 19-2-2016 07:44
What do you think to pickup a non mainstream programming language to develop software to guarantee ...

bad idea。。。。。。。。。
增加自己开发的难度。。
再说啥语言都有人懂。。
其實用什么语言都是次要的。。
因为基本现代编程语言都是想通的

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 07:47
bad idea。。。。。。。。。
增加自己开发的难度。。
再说啥语言都有人懂。。

Why increase the difficulty for own development? I feel developing in the programming language like eating rice, so natural, so easy

And the people who can program in that language might not live in nz.

i.e. there is around 3000+ programmer who can program in C# in nz and there is around 50 programmer who can program in Delphi. It will be very hard to find a Delphi programmer compare to C# programmer, right?

That job might not be worth to outsource to India, P.R.China. Also some company worry about security. So they mightbe willing just hire me instead of outsourcing to another country.

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 07:47
bad idea。。。。。。。。。
增加自己开发的难度。。
再说啥语言都有人懂。。

I cannot program in cobol and I hate cobol. It is so difficult to use. I love c#,java

You see each programming language is not the same can be mastered.

周星星1832

DDD888 发表于 19-2-2016 07:57
Why increase the difficulty for own development? I feel developing in the programming language lik ...

你以为公司都是傻子吗？？
人家外包工作前也会调研的。。

周星星1832

DDD888 发表于 19-2-2016 07:59
I cannot program in cobol and I hate cobol. It is so difficult to use. I love c#,java

You see e ...

对一個ＩＴ专业的工程师来说。。。两个星期掌握一门语言是一种能力。
现在的流行语言。。没多少区别的。。

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 07:47
bad idea。。。。。。。。。
增加自己开发的难度。。
再说啥语言都有人懂。。

There is a learning time to pickup a programming language. And it takes around 10,000 hours to become a master of that programming language.

I learned C in a week. But it took around a year to become really good at programming in C.

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 08:02
对一個ＩＴ专业的工程师来说。。。两个星期掌握一门语言是一种能力。
现在的流行语言。。没多少区别的 ...

Can you learn abap in sap in two weeks? I doubt it. First you need the environment for you to learn that abap which it was very hard to get sap running. Second the syntax is quite different to other programming language.

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 08:00
你以为公司都是傻子吗？？
人家外包工作前也会调研的。。

I don't think so.

The general manager of the company, which I worked for 11 years, once setup a branch company in India and tried to move all the development work in India. That was the excuse for my redundancy. I heard recently that effort failed and he and several other director sold all their shares of the company after I left company a year later. The company later put the development work back in nz.

I guess the managers simply don't know what they do based on my experience working in 6 companies.

周星星1832

DDD888 发表于 19-2-2016 08:05
Can you learn abap in sap in two weeks? I doubt it. First you need the environment for you to lear ...

這是我的教授说的。。。

周星星1832

DDD888 发表于 19-2-2016 08:09
I don't think so.

The general manager of the company, which I worked for 11 years, once setup ...

good luck.......

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 08:10
這是我的教授说的。。。

What is your experience?

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 08:10
good luck.......

Thanks

周星星1832

DDD888 发表于 19-2-2016 08:11
What is your experience?

教授说的是对的。。。现代语言的理论沒有区别。。表现形式不同而已。。。

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 08:14
教授说的是对的。。。现代语言的理论沒有区别。。表现形式不同而已。。。

The devil is in the detail

DDD888

周星星1832 发表于 19-2-2016 08:10
這是我的教授说的。。。

If it is true, the website developed in the same language will get same performance achievement if programming a language is so easy. Some website develop in asp.net runs very fast, some runs very slow. Some website can handle billions of request per day happily. Some website will crash if the website is busy.

The people develop the website make a difference which is based on years of experience and hard work.

My boss told me that our customer who use sap system spend around aud 700,000 to develop an online catalogue in two years and failed. The customer let my boss get the job and I am developing the solution for them and the customer is very happy about the website I developed and the website is running well for the last several years.

black_zerg

Sap那就是个坑 回到这个怕抢饭碗的问题 有个办法就是用各种 framework写大量的类 多用继承

black_zerg

Delphi写网站完全不知道怎么做啊

DDD888

black_zerg 发表于 19-2-2016 08:35
Delphi写网站完全不知道怎么做啊

我随便举个例子啦

这个连结我随意用google搜素下，应该可以回答你的问题
http://stackoverflow.com/questio ... lphi-is-recommended

滚滚雷声

不留文档或者只留很少的文档
把逻辑弄得很复杂
留一些不太容易出问题但是会出问题的地方不做完善

不过话说这都是很没出息的做法
最好产品争取下一个生意才是正解

DDD888

滚滚雷声 发表于 19-2-2016 09:18
不留文档或者只留很少的文档
把逻辑弄得很复杂
留一些不太容易出问题但是会出问题的地方不做完善

其实问题的关键是不要做为别人写系统的工作，做为自己写系统的工作，自己做个google,facebook etc,自己拥有所有知识产权，才是最根本的，不然无解

DDD888

black_zerg 发表于 19-2-2016 08:33
Sap那就是个坑 回到这个怕抢饭碗的问题 有个办法就是用各种 framework写大量的类 多用继承

为何Sap是个坑？好奇

black_zerg

Sap很烧钱 而且我个人觉得很笨重 没有什么好的 一般程序员改不了 sap程序员往往自己也是一知半解 任何小事实现都很麻烦 关键就是这么麻烦到底起到什么作用 这个就是没有困难创造困难的典型

DDD888

black_zerg 发表于 25-2-2016 07:47
Sap很烧钱 而且我个人觉得很笨重 没有什么好的 一般程序员改不了 sap程序员往往自己也是一知半解 任何小事 ...

Thanks for the answer

yzfeng

写一个html生成器  交付静态文本 源码逻辑自己留着

yzfeng

或cig 只用 println

yzfeng

或自己搞个大框架 不过只要能跑起来 熟手一天就接过去