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发表于 23-6-2008 21:44:19 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式

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bmw 318i 2004年 70000km $8500
联系卖家,卖家回信说:
  Price is $8500. The car looks and runs great. I am selling the car so cheap because I am in United Kingdom with my job and I am going through a divorce. The BMW is located home (AUSTRALIA) and I will arrange to be shipped it to you. I am an eBay seller and I will sell this car through them. The car comes at your address in 2 days with a RWC, also a 10 days refund policy will be included so if you will not like the car you will receive your money back. If you're ready for this purchase I need to know your full name and address. As soon as I have them I will start the official procedure and eBay will notify you about this. eBay will send you an Invoice with all the info you will need to complete the transaction. Looking forward to hearing from you.

大意说他现在人在英国,由于要离婚所以把车(在au)便宜卖了,可以通过ebay条款,有rwc,并且可以通过ebay 进行所有的手续并遵守ebay的退货条款。

[ 本帖最后由 lzwdavid 于 12-2-2010 22:27 编辑 ]
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发表于 23-6-2008 21:59:33 | 只看该作者
这么便宜? 我不太相信;trade in都不止这个价格。

难道天下会丢馅饼给你?
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发表于 23-6-2008 22:07:30 | 只看该作者
好象在哪也看过这种'好事', 是骗人的
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 楼主| 发表于 23-6-2008 22:58:43 | 只看该作者
没错,我知道这种天上掉馅饼的事情不是常常有。

问题是,他能遵守所有的ebay条款,我的钱也在ebay的bpay里面,他还怎么骗人呢?
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发表于 24-6-2008 02:11:33 | 只看该作者
不合理的售价(包含过低),绝对有你看不到的风险,目前我也在找BMW 318I MY2002,大概都2W起跳,所以~可以直言,这个价钱绝非正常!

Thinking of selling a bike privately? BE WARNED

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Be warned, it is a common MO amongst motorbike thieves to test ride a bike that is advertised for sale, they hand over a fake DL, or a credit card or their car keys as security, and end up leaving the stolen car, fake keys, or the credit card that didn’t belong to the perp in the first place behind. They leave on your bike never to be seen again.

The second most common occurrence is someone test riding a bike, and when they are at the sellers house they check out what sort of storage and security the bike has, and then come back to steal it later the old fashioned way at a later date “yoink”!

SOME TIPS ON HOW TO REDUCE THE RISK

The safest way to sell your bike is to a licensed dealer or someone you know personally… obviously. But the issue is that the majority of people selling bikes want to get top dollar. This is understandable but you will bear the additional risk of dealing with the bike in this way. So therefore if you ABOLSULTY MUST sell the bike privately then you should consider doing the tips below which will not guarantee something bad happening, but it might mitigate the risk to an acceptable level:

1) When people contact you to arrange inspection of the advertised bike, meet them at a location that is not a location where the bike is normally housed, EG: Friends house, parents house, or the local BP Servo…. Right under the security camera.

2) When people call advise and disclose to them that “I am happy for you to come and visually/mechanically check the bike, but I will not be allowing test rides until such time as you (the buyer) have satisfied yourself that this is the bike you want, we have agreed on a price, and subject to a test ride the deal is done”. If the buyer says “but I wont know if I like the bike until I test ride it”, you can suggest that “it rides just like [insert make and model here] and perhaps you could satisfy yourself as to how that is by riding a dealers bike of the same vintage”.

3) If once you have agreed on a price, the buyer is happy with their visual inspection, and are satisfied and have agreed that subject to the test ride, the deal is done, have the buyer attend the test ride armed with 100 points of ID, just like the banks require. A current drivers license with photograph, a passport, a credit card in the same name, and a copy of a rates notice with their current address on it (which matches the other info provided).

4) Naturally make sure the lisense has an ‘R” class (or RE for <=250) on it.

5) On the day of the test ride hold this information, make a note of names, numbers, addressed etc whilst they are on the ride (or photocopy/scan if u have those facilities handy) and do not return it until they return with the bike....intact.

6) Set guidelines to the buyer as to what you will allow him to do on the bike and what you will not allow (IE: no breaking the law, speeding, fast corners, mingers, etc, and set a maximum time limit). Have a fellow PSB’r mate who has an above average set of riding skills and a equally capable bike attend the ride, and chaperone/follow the test rider just like a motorbike instructor and his student.

7) Leave only sufficient fuel in the bike to enable the bike to travel only a short distance in case they DO try to do a runner.

It sounds like allot of effort and an inconvenience to the prospective buyers but actually it is not. Firstly it shows prospective buyers that you are a serious seller, it qualifies the buyer and almost immediately removes time wasters and tire kickers. Most importantly thieves will phone the next guy who is an easier target. It is only the illegitimate buyer that will have a bit issue with your demands.

If, the prospective buyer wants you to ride the bike with the buyer as pillion for whatever reason such as they are not licensed in the relevant class, you wont be insured (see below) etc, then fine, but ensure again that you have your PSB’r mate follow on their bike either covertly or overtly just in case you are wrestled off your bike when stationary (not a hard thing to do when sitting directly behind someone).

AND FINALLY, INSURANCE WARNING...

Check your insurance policy. Most motorbike policies have an express condition that states that your motorbike WILL NOT BE INSURED if there is damage or theft as a result of your bike being test ridden for sale. For this very reason alone, no matter what you to do reduce the risk of something happening, if someone stacks your bike on a test ride, you will NOT be insured and it will be up to you to attempt to legally recover damages from the rider.

Good luck!

Deej


转载自PERTH RIDER~
这虽然是说BIKES,但是将他换成MOTORS还是通用的!

[ 本帖最后由 bug71124 于 24-6-2008 02:13 编辑 ]
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发表于 24-6-2008 09:27:14 | 只看该作者
不可能,一定有问题。
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发表于 24-6-2008 09:32:13 | 只看该作者

TRAP

尼日利亚式的骗术,利用人们爱小便宜的心理。
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发表于 24-6-2008 17:59:07 | 只看该作者
$后面家个2就合理了。
我还以为是限量版的BMX
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发表于 24-6-2008 19:29:48 | 只看该作者
这是澳洲常见的一种骗术,人在国外,在这里买车,给钱就没影了。千万别上当。
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发表于 25-6-2008 12:25:35 | 只看该作者
别上当!! 之前在ebay看到有人拍卖我卖过的车。 我以另外一个用户名写信给, 他也是回答我类似的答案。paypal不是100%能够claim回钱!!

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发表于 25-6-2008 12:25:35 | 只看该作者
不一定的.

曾经在北美有个真实案例,报纸广告一美元出售一部价值好几万的名牌车.一个穷学生硬着头皮去了,买到了.原来是老太太根据丈夫遗嘱,要把卖车所得给小三.
但是其中两点不同:
1.人家是当面看车交易
2.已经发生过的事情会不会给坏人利用?
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发表于 25-6-2008 16:18:17 | 只看该作者
原帖由 tttkoo 于 25-6-2008 12:25 发表
不一定的.

曾经在北美有个真实案例,报纸广告一美元出售一部价值好几万的名牌车.一个穷学生硬着头皮去了,买到了.原来是老太太根据丈夫遗嘱,要把卖车所得给小三.
但是其中两点不同:
1.人家是当面看车交易
2.已经 ...


1美元的话风险很小,损失就损失了,和$8500很不一样哦
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 楼主| 发表于 25-6-2008 17:02:59 | 只看该作者
如果我要求他先把车送到我家, 我的检测和检查没有问题了再付款呢?估计风险在哪里呢??
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发表于 25-6-2008 20:57:01 | 只看该作者
1.赃车(车身引擎号码重铸)
2.拼装车(以A车的车身,拼上B车的车牌)
3.自己保留(复制)锁匙,交完车後找机会偷回
4.现场要求现金交易,等你亮出现金,抢了跑!
5.请自行发挥~
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发表于 25-6-2008 21:05:36 | 只看该作者

骗人的!!

我好像在足迹还是澳宝看到有人跟你问一样的问题,很多人都做了回答,这个骗术用了很久了,都是“别摸我”,都是人在英国,不要报幻想了,就跟那个老邮件说中大奖的Lotto网站,国外骗子也很多啊。

[ 本帖最后由 rafe 于 25-6-2008 19:07 编辑 ]
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发表于 26-6-2008 16:49:08 | 只看该作者

回复 #13 lzwdavid 的帖子

首先你要懂得检测车;

1。 确定rego paper上是登记他的名
2。 懂得检查车的engine number and Vin number是跟rego paper上一样
3。 REVS CHECK 确保不是贼货
4。 最好打电话给RTA查看该车是否用他的名登记

当然这几点是要他的人在这边你才能查, 因为你不知到他的样子, 他可以给你假ID。

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 楼主| 发表于 26-6-2008 20:34:56 | 只看该作者
谢谢ls的几位tz给出的主意和意见,非常感谢。

这些回答让我感受到了freeoz真像个温暖的大家庭!
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发表于 28-6-2008 04:09:15 | 只看该作者
to LZ:

因出国在即,我也着手开始处理一些事物。

前几天在某交易网站上,售出我的车辆,以下是我的交易过程(流程),供你叁考!

1.在网路上PO上照片,说明车型车龄里程颜色等相关车籍资料。

2.强调~必须由买家亲身验车满意後,并取得(谈好)双方共识的车价。

3.两人一起到监理站(抱歉,我不知道你们的管理单位),办理过户及保险事宜。

4.全部办完後,这才跟买家收钱(现金一部份,另一部份和买家到银行汇入我户头)

5.银货两迄,双方交易完成。

个人认为:

A.没有人会在未看过车辆的情况下决定买车,所以~我强调不在网路上谈交易的事(毕竟不是新车),只见面谈!

B.这不是一笔小数目,见过太多网路诈骗事情,最好谨慎行事。

C.可以亲身陪-准车主试车,不必担心对方开了车跑,当然地点不要选在人烟稀少地方,公安局前不错(如果对方拿刀枪,那就是抢劫了!)

D.可以由观察对方的神情,看出是否有歹念?

E.可以由朋友陪同一起交易,减少对方下手机会!

小心使得万年船,这是我在网路上卖了两台汽车,3-4台摩托车的经验。

像他的情况,听起来就不对劲,人不出面,先给钱,再安排将车寄给你?

这种事~我是不会做的!我一定会要求看车试车,并与对方见面交易,即使他找人代为处理也无所谓!

这一整个事情看来,就是一个骗局啦!要不你回MAIL要求他面交试车看看!他一定不理你或是拒绝~

他既然有朋友帮他寄车过户,又怎不可以让你看车试车呢?很简单的逻辑!

人的心里,就是见猎心喜,或是见到天掉下来的便宜,骗徒就是抓住这一点,

让你赶紧将钱汇了过去,人去楼空~古今中外皆然阿!类似的骗术~不胜枚举!

不贪小便宜,不要想坑人,就能自保,任哪种骗徒都骗不了你~

[ 本帖最后由 bug71124 于 28-6-2008 04:10 编辑 ]

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 楼主| 发表于 28-6-2008 16:58:38 | 只看该作者
谢谢ls的忠告。
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