要不要锁这个帖子 大家说说吧

阿兵

take it easy, <br>
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大山

非要说上海人不好 或者好 然后举出无数例子。证明自己的辩论能力。<br>
就是不懦弱？ 就是对论坛的发展CONSTRUCTIVE吗？

thewall

。。。MITE 是九袋长老，功力比我高，我听他的 。。。

歪歪牛

这个坛子的掌舵人（不知道是谁），要考虑，“本论坛的发展方向”，你问题才会消失。<br>
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如果只是想维持，想删就删，想锁就锁，因为这里常常有的心态：那里好玩到那里玩去，论不到说话。虽然这种说法，表达了对发表反对意见的一种轻视，但在方法上是可行的。<br>
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如果要发展，提高某某某，等等等，各种理由，对论坛有要求，定好了，再来讨论。<br>
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看了看，坛子的历史，纷争是因某个话题而起，但分裂是因为“封杀”而成的，一次一次，是封杀导致了分裂。但各位似乎没有意识到。<br>
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另外，为什么斑竹门此时此刻不大量灌水，分散大家注意力，开辟新话题呢？

歪歪牛

“我说过，此类贬低上海的帖子，我看到一次就要反击一次。”<br>
怎么也看不出，一个无赖和绅士打架，绅士维护的是什么尊严，输赢都无益。输了，无赖找到被重视。<br>
在我看来，绅士维护是无赖的尊严。<br>

zlsiva

我晕。虽然我不打算去看那个具体的帖子，但是我觉得既然freeoz是一个关于oz的移民交流论坛，就应该把主题限定在各个板块的范围内。斑竹的责任就是把不符合的帖子转了封了删了<br>
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如果觉得这类帖子不好处置，开一个专版“废水站”之类的地方，把此类帖子一起移入。<br>
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讨论什么话题没关系，不要影响其他注册用户看正常帖子。如果有人喜欢讨论额外话题，甚至开一个附属论坛他们慢慢研究去吧。

大山

94啊 这个还要讨论<br>
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上海人好坏和移民交流有关系吗？ 转啊<br>
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micfox

。 请不要‘断章取意’。我并没有‘提倡’大家去评论哪个地方人，这不值得提倡，这没有问题。但是‘不提倡’的事情并不是说就应该‘禁止’。<br>
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First of all, there is rule as below:<br>
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发布人： sunnyday 公告时间： 2005-10-16 20:45:06 <br>
基于目前状况，<b>本论坛禁止发表地域性评论帖子</b>。之前的相关评论帖子将被删除。<br>
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为保证论坛的稳定健康发展，论坛禁止各种挑衅性言论以及争论。乱世用重典，如有相关违反者，将严肃处理。<br>
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特告知！<br>
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感谢大家的合作！ <br><br>
So it is obviously <b>prohibited</b> in freeoz (black and white) and this announcement were made long before this accident. But you just ignored it?<br>
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只要有一定的底线，<br>
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Please define the bottomline and make sure everyone has it (as long as one single person among thousands of users in freeoz does not have bottomline you defined, it is your fault and you should be blamed!!! Can you take this responsibility??)... no personal attack? It is an ideal situation. In fact, there are heaps of them on Freeoz already (the people who did not have the legitimate argument can always attack others, I believe you have experienced this from someone else before)!!!<br>
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比如说不骂人，不色情，为什么不能容许人各抒己见？<br>
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3。 大家都应该是成年人，没有必要太敏感。看见不好听的言论中有‘上海’两字，马上就跟在后面要锁贴，要删贴。如果不是心虚的原因何必如此？这里说什么，不说什么根本就改变不了真实世界中长久以来形成的事实。再说了，那好听的言论里有‘上海’两字怎么没有人出来说应该换成‘中国’呢？<br>
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4。 ‘反驳’不是‘封嘴’，锁删贴子是。一谈这个，无法避免又扯到这个论坛的历史。我不说了，这里仅存的几个从开始到现在的‘老人’们都应该明白我说的是什么。<br>
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Every place has rule and law.. Otherwise it is just chaos.. please check my replies about how the western countries (including US) did on this aspect...<br>
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为什么斑竹门此时此刻不大量灌水，分散大家注意力，开辟新话题呢？<br>
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good advice.. I tried that before by arguing the Cantonese topic.. But obviously I just got criticized by some people and no one understand my purpose,.... so why bother do it again?<br>
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再次，很多人都认为自己向往‘自由民主’，也觉得自己会‘捍卫真理’。可是应该明白的是无论是自由民主还是捍卫真理都是需要付出勇气和代价的。光说不练那容易，‘英特纳雄纳尔一定会实现’说起来也是慷慨激昂。再者无论是什么信仰应该一视同仁，而不能是打在别人身上说的都可以冠冕堂皇，打在自己身上了马上就变脸。在我看来，那不叫做‘信仰’，那叫做‘投机’或者‘利用’。<br>
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One more word, if you are not happy with "freedom of speech" on freeoz, build up BBS by yourself and keep trash talk. No one will mind and you can have plenty of freedoms there..<br>
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发布人： sunnyday 公告时间： 2005-10-16 20:45:06 <br>
基于目前状况，本论坛禁止发表地域性评论帖子。之前的相关评论帖子将被删除。<br>
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为保证论坛的稳定健康发展，论坛禁止各种挑衅性言论以及争论。乱世用重典，如有相关违反者，将严肃处理。<br>
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特告知！<br>
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感谢大家的合作！ <br>
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论坛的所有，论坛的RULE，要想对这些问题加以评论，你最好了解了解这个论坛以前的事情，否则我说的话你都搞不懂，你说的是哪对哪儿呢？<br>
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I do not know what rule you are talking about. But the above rule is there and you cannnot deny!!!<br>
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Again, do not avoid my question, answer the following question directly!!!<br>
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Please define the bottomline and make sure everyone has it (as long as one single person among thousands of users in freeoz does not have bottomline you defined, it is your fault and you should be blamed!!! Can you take this responsibility??)<br>
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你说别人是TRASH TALK，最好先LOOK AFTER自己的言论，先CLEAN UP自己的TRASH再来指别人。<br>
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My talk are all support by truth so be it!!<br>
especially on the definition of "freedom of speech", check the following links:<br>
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and please check what Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights are!!!<br>
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also please explain how the following events can happen in western countries!!!<br>
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Dr. Elsebeth Baumgartner currently faces up to 109 years in prison in the U.S. state of Ohio for her criticism of, and accusations of corruption against, government officials in Ohio. <br>
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In the UK Parliament passed the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act in 2005 banning protest without permit within 1km of Parliament. The first conviction under the Act was in December 2005, when Maya Evans was convicted for reading the names of British soldiers and Iraqi civilians killed in the Iraq War, under the Cenotaph in October, without police permission. [1] <br>
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In Italy, media Tycoon Silvio Berlusconi censored the satirical Raiot series by Sabina Guzzanti after the first broadcast on RAI (the state TV), arguing that it was plain vulgarity and disrespectful to the government. As his company Mediaset threatened a lawsuit for €21,000,000, the RAI board of directors, appointed by Berlusconi's political majority, closed the series effective immediately, claiming that such a lawsuit was an economic liability for the company. Ms. Guzzanti went to court and won the case, but the Italian government and RAI refused to follow the court order and the show never went on air again. Berlusconi had previously had two highly esteemed journalists (Michele Santoro and Enzo Biagi) and a comedy actor (Daniele Luttazzi) removed from RAI by saying explicitly, in a press conference in Bulgaria, that the new board of directors, which his majority had just appointed, should not allow their "criminal usage" of television. [2] <br>
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In some European countries, holocaust denial is a criminal offence. A prominent proponent of this view, David Irving, was sentenced for 3 years in Austria for denying the holocaust in February, 2006. <br>
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In Canada, school teachers have limited freedom of speech, both on and off the job, regarding certain issues (e.g., homosexuality). Chris Kempling was suspended without pay for writing letters, on his own time, to a local newspaper to object to LGBT-related material being introduced into public schools. Kempling pursued the freedom of speech issue all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada without success. <br>
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On freeoz, you are not qualified to argue because what you said is not supported by any truth (if you think yours is, post your statisitics and source to support your point as I do!!!)<br>
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PS: again, do not avoid my questions by giving the personal attack, I would not reply if you did that!!!<br>

micfox

UB] 你是说这里是‘Parliament'?还是和PARLIAMENT同等意义的地方？即然不回避问题，请你连同上面几个一起解释一下。哪个能套到这个网站上？<br>
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My point in these examples is simple: where there are people's activities, the rule and law is required to protect the place and the entities (Freeoz is an entities full of people's activities). None of activities (including freedom of speech) can break the rules (or law in contries). The law in Britain example is the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act in 2005 banning protest without permit within 1km of Parliament, and the rule in freeoz is 论坛禁止各种挑衅性言论以及争论。乱世用重典，如有相关违反者，将严肃处理。They are the same things and no one is allowed to break them with the execuse of "speech of freedom".. Otherwise, why do we need law and rule? <br>
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你觉得要骂人非得跟贴啊？开个新贴很难吗？如果你解决不了这个问题，你锁贴的意义是锁住了谩骂？<br>
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The truth prevails eloquence!! The fact now is that no one kept saying 上海人渣多 and 广州人渣多 by creating a new post when that post is locked!!! So please do not infer the truth!!!<br>
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[UB]这不又是胡搅吗？辩论不是狡辩。我不能24X7，你能，还是谁能？你能说不锁贴就得24X7，锁了贴就不用了？<br>
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Of course, the truth now is that no one kept attacking after that post is locked. But before it, heaps of attacks are in that post and you can never tell when those people will launch attacks in freeoz, so if you suggested Mite not lock that post but delete attack replies, then you should do it by yourself on time(the reason why it should be done on time is no one is willing to see those attacks and Freeoz is a polite forum!!).. It is absolutely reasonable since you are the one who propose to do it in this way then you should do it as you propose..What is the reason that you can require others to do the thing you propose??<br>
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你这说的通吗？我请你贴我原贴，请问你找着了吗？<br>
No need, I know you are against 谩骂, that is enough..<br>
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你是不是在偷换概念？你列举的限制，有哪个跟现在所说的是一个范畴，一个程度的？<br>
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‘homosexuality’，‘accusations of corruption’，‘holocaust denial ’？如果你看过的话，请你告诉我哪一个是？<br>
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Ok, what about the example in Britain? <br>
reading the names of British soldiers and Iraqi civilians killed in the Iraq War!!<br>
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我不会回避问题，有的事情我不愿意说明白了是因为说了就无法避免会扯出历史，扯出个人。所以我请你去了解了解，然后再来讨论什么RULE。不好意思的说，讨论那些RULE的时候你可能还不知道这个论坛。<br>
good execuse... so be it!!<br>
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在我看来，BOTTOM LINE是COMMON SENSE。不能谈政治，不能谈色情，,不能谩骂。至于TAKE RESPONSIBILITY，更是无边的话？随便你顶个BOTTOM LINE，你能TAKE RESPONSIBILITY？这不是胡搅吗？<br>
Yes, if you know what you are doing is 胡搅...Please check how those people reply in those posts about the comments on some specified group of people, do not tell me those are not 谩骂 (especially 上海人渣多 and 广州人渣多)!!! If you still have the face say these two sentences are not 谩骂, then there is no need to continue!!!<br>
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至于TAKE RESPONSIBILITY，更是无边的话？<br>
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You suggested those 谩骂 should not be banned, so you have to take responsibility for them. That is the reason!!!

micfox

那是因为人死了，要维护个人隐私。----这里是点名了，还是死人了？你接着说。(记住自己的话，请不要回避问题。)<br>
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Really? please read the context before you reply...Please make sure you understand what "the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act in 2005 banning protest without permit within 1km of Parliament" means.. Is it related to 个人隐私??<br>
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你回贴前看过我前面的帖子吗？我说如果有谩骂，可以清除掉。但是因为麦田里有草，就要把麦田整个都除了吗？这合逻辑吗？<br>
your example is not proper.if this post were not locked, more and more 谩骂 would come and the post itself is the source of 谩骂 (even you also admitted it. saying the title of the post is not proper and it is subject to 骂) so the right way to get rid of 谩骂 is to get rid of the source of 谩骂 instead of getting rid of each piece of 谩骂!! (do you know the principle of fighting the illness?)<br>
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不要‘断章取意’，需要我说多少遍你才能明白。如果你说我讲过‘谩骂’SHOULD NOT BE BANNED。请把我原贴贴在下面。如果你贴不出：你打不了中文我可以理解，不会读都读不懂吧？<br>
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Ok, then Mite should give you the right to delete 谩骂 and you should always be ready to delete ANY 谩骂 on freeoz (24 hours a day, 7 days a week). If you cannot do it on time, you have to take responsibility for that,can you take this job? If no, please do not complain that much!!<br>
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micfox

你口口声声让我不要回避问题，怎么我提的问题你大多都不直接回应，绕来绕去又绕一圈，黄河源头长江口，一会这儿一会儿那的，真累人。<br>
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Ok, my last reply to your question <b>directly</b>.. (obviously you refused to admit you are wrong)<br>
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如果你解决不了这个问题，你锁贴的意义是锁住了谩骂？<br>
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The truth is it does lock 谩骂 and the problem is solved in the persepctive of freeoz!!<br>
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你觉得要骂人非得跟贴啊？<br>
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Not necessary, but it did not happen, so it cannot be your argument.<br>
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开个新贴很难吗？<br>
not difficult, but it did not happen so it cannot be your argument!!<br>
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The fact now is that no one kept saying 上海人渣多 and 广州人渣多 by creating a new post when that post is locked!!! So please do not infer the truth!!!<br>
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你是说这里是‘Parliament'?还是和PARLIAMENT同等意义的地方？即然不回避问题，请你连同上面几个一起解释一下。哪个能套到这个网站上？<br>
Please do not shift concept!!! My point is <b>the rule and law is required to protect the place and the entities</b> Freeoz is simliar to a country in some way. People in countries need to obey the law, the people in freeoz also need to obey the rule of freeoz ,which is 论坛禁止各种挑衅性言论以及争论。乱世用重典，如有相关违反者，将严肃处理!!<br>
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这不又是胡搅吗？<br>
No, please see the reason in theanswers to your other question!!<br>
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辩论不是狡辩。我不能24X7，你能，还是谁能？<br>
I cannot either. No one can.<br>
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But if you suggested Mite not lock that post but delete attack replies, then you should do it by yourself on time(the reason why it should be done on time is no one is willing to see those attacks and Freeoz is a polite forum!!).. It is absolutely reasonable since you are the one who propose to do it in this way then you should do it as you propose..What is the reason that you can require others to do the thing you propose?? That is the reason why my suggestion is not <br>
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你能说不锁贴就得24X7，锁了贴就不用了？<br>
No, the truth proves that the locking does work and no one kept attacking others!!<br>
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不知道以下的帖子你有没有读过，如果没有建议你先看看。然后再接着黄河源头长江口，如果你愿意的话。<br>
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The above post is the rule to delete the post ,not lock the post. <br>
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1。 凡事都有范畴，程度，我问你你举的那几个例子哪个跟这里说的帖子的事儿是一个范畴，一个程度的，你回答了吗？<br>
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You go to school, you have to obey the rule of school, you go to work, you have to obey the rule of company. you live in a country,you have to obey the law of the country. If you hang out in freeoz, you have to obey the rule of freeoz!! That is the same 范畴 the same 程度( the lady in Britain did not obey the law, so she was arrested. Those posts violated the rule of freeoz, so they are locked. That is as simple as the principle that 7 year-old kid can understand( "freedom of speech does not prevail the law and rule, even in western countries!!) so the bottom line is you have to obey the rule, if you did not, you got punished no matter where you are)!! If you do not think so, please give out a country or an entity that does not have any rule, law or regulation!!! Then you can convince people!!!<br>
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2。 你认为别人没有接着骂是因为锁贴了，所以不愿意开新贴？<br>
<br>it is because none of people will do the things as you imagine subjectively (who will feel comfortable to attack someone for no reason?)<br>
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这是不是匪夷所思。如果今天你求了一把雨，明天还真下雨了，你一位这是求雨的法力？<br>
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Hehe.. if you want to refuse the truth, no point to continue..BTW, you can also 求了一把雨 to see whether it really rains if you can!!! you give an excellent example about what 狡辩 is!!!<br>
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something irrelated to this topic: your word really make me think of the story I saw in Xi You Ji: some Tiger spirit wants to compete with Sun Wukong. and they both show their power by 求雨. The Tiger 求雨 first, but he did not get anything since the thunder and rain are afraid of Sun Wukong so no one is daring to give the rain. Then when it comes to the turn of Sun Wukong. He did make the rain happen and The tiger spirit argued that it was his power which make it rain and Sun Wukong "happened" to take it up when it comes into effect. What you did is similiar to that Tiger and you just cannot accept your failure on this issue so you just keep making up the ridiculous theory to mask the truth!!!<br>
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3。 你说因为我不主张锁贴，所以骂人的都得由我负责。<br>
I believe you have said " although I do not agree with what you said, I protect your right to say it at any cost". So 骂人 is one of speech styles you do not agree with and obviously since you have to protect their right at any cost as you say, of course you have to take the responsibility for them AT ANY COST as well (where there is a right , there is obligation. If you had right to protect them, you would have obligation to be responsible for them. It is reasonable) <br>
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那么上学教了学生知识，将来除了诈骗犯都的学校负责？<br>
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Another example to 狡辩, <br>
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First of all, have you got the certificate to be a teacher? If no, then please do not use the irrelevant example to shift the concept because you are not qualified to be a teacher that is why you need to be responsible for it while teacher do not need to (BTW, a qualified teacher will not teach the student to break the law with the execuse of "freedom of speech", so be it)!!!<br>
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Second of all, Even you admit you cannot do it (delete the attack post) 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Freeoz is available all the time and no one can know when the attack comes then why would you require others to do the things you cannot do? (Please do not avoid this question!!!)<br>
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4。 ‘the rule and law is required to protect the place and the entities’，如果根本不考虑限制的是什么的话，<br>
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Yes I agreed.. see my following reply:<br>
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你这话‘金太阳’最爱听，而且放哪儿，怎么放都适用，就看自己站哪儿就放哪儿，对吗？<br>
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Firstly, the rule is not made by me so I am afraid you said these to the wrong person because I do not have right to put it wherever I want. Secondly, this rule is passed under all ZHTs!!please ensure this point so stop shifting the concept to "rule is made by some individual"!!! what you said is another word for 狡辩!!!<br>
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5。 ‘锁贴’，‘删贴’在这个问题上有本质区别吗？<br>
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Of course ‘锁贴' is different from ‘删贴’: 锁贴': no one can reply but people can still see the content of the post. (as you say, if this problem were not solved, they could keep launching attack by creating new post, but no one did it, which prove your raining theory is 100% wrong!!!)<br>
删贴: People are not able to see what is the latest reply to the post. The new people did not even know it happened!!<br>
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谁说今儿晚上吃饭了，那肯定就是没吃菜，否则必须得说清除吃饭吃菜的区别。-- 这是不是滑稽？<br>
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Yes, it is 滑稽 but obviously you use 100% wrong example to match these two things (one piece of advice to you: before you try to compare things, make sure they have something in common (read my justification on my match below before you comment!!), otherwise, you are making a scene that even a kid can laugh at!!!)<br>
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Obviously 吃饭 is coming with 吃菜, but ‘锁贴' is not necessarily coming to 删贴.. One more question for you (do not avoid!!): Is Death Penalty (similar to 删贴 because neither of the targets will exist in the world) the same as detention ( simliar to 锁贴, the targets both have no freedom to continue what they did)??? <br>
这是不是滑稽？ (do not avoid this, either!!!)<br>
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PS: everyone will make mistakes sometimes so it is no big deal you will make mistakes as well.. The point here is you did not realize what you propose is wrong and lack the foundation of "freedom of speech". And you just refuse to admit these so you keep quoting the irrelevant example to shift the concept (do not play this trick in front of me,maybe other people will be confused by your trick so they admired you but I won't).. just admit the truth and stop playing with shifting concept because the more you talked, the more unreasonable you are and it is not good for your personal image...( some sincere advice, but anyway, you will not accept it according to your personality)<br>
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<br>BTW, you have not answered what Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights are... Maybe they are just the "rain" you mentioned and they exist because I talked about "freedom of speech", right??<br>
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also What is the reason (or should I say right?) that you can require others to do the thing you propose?? you have not answered this question ,either <br>
since you are not teacher (at least in freeoz).<br>
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Another word, I really do not have time to continue because the truth is there and if you keep saying it is just some "rain", then there is no point to continue and unless I got paid, otherwise, I would not reply to this post any more because it really waste my time for nothing and made me uncomfortable when I have to argue with the people who do not even know to respect truth.( of course when law and rule are nothing to some people, let alone the basic principle of argument, which is truth)<br>
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1。以前有朋友提醒我要避免和‘黄河源头长江口’的同志辩论，因为无法说清楚。我已经满小心避免了，不想还是躲不了。不过论坛上辩论的最大好处就是‘白纸黑字’，写下的话大家都能看到。你说我‘狡辩’，我不用急着反驳。说的话都在上面，让大家自己看就好。<br>
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No.. you just need to answer the questions I raised and be responsible for your words, that is it (黄河源头长江口 are all created by you because you have quoted many irrelevant examples as your arguments)..(obviously you still avoided my question while I did not avoid yours that is the differences between 狡辩 and truth) .. for your convenience, the questions i ask you are listed below:<br>
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1. what are Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights? Why are they listed in the definition of "freedom of speech"?<br>
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2. If you made the BIG statement ("although I do not agree with what you said, I protect your right to say it at any cost"), can you have some BIG courage to take the responsibilty for whatever you try to protect ( or at least be responsible for what you said)?<br>
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3. If you cannot do something (delete the attack post 24x7 because freeoz is open 24x7), what is the reason that you can ask others (like Mite) to do the things you cannot do?<br>
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4. when you aregue with someone, are you just good at shifting the concept, avoiding the question and then criticizing your opponents for 黄河源头长江口?<br>
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5.When will you respect the truth,admit your mistakes and apologize for what you said?<br>
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2。你总爱讲这个论坛的规则云云，我还是那个建议，你先搞搞清楚这里3年的历史然后再慷慨激昂比较好。给你个HINT，这里目前了解最多的是MITE，你可以现在咨询一下他。至少你要弄明白这个地方ZHT是什么意思，<br>
ZHT = zhu tou<br>
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那大喇叭又是怎么放上去的等等。<br>
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after some incidents (some Chinese city was attacked in Freeoz before so that is how that rule was formed) and the discussions.<br>
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Do not try to pretend you know more than I do. Your tone like this really made me sick.. Ok some other questions for you if you want to talk about history of freeoz:<br>
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1.When Freeoz was being attacked one year ago, what were you doing at that moment and where were you as board master? I can answer this question for myself first. I was trying to delete those trash post as many as possible..<br>
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2. Who was reboot? why was he not here any more while you still came back ?How was he related to you?<br>
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3。看到你别的帖子里的跟贴，意思好像是没有CONTRIBUTION就不能发表意见了，言下之意你自己有贡献所以就ENTITLE了。<br>
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Please do not infer my meaning especially subjectively!! (see below)<br>
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我并不觉得非要捐款了，或是担当什么职务了，才能评论。如果是那样的话，朝鲜就不是‘流氓国家’了，论‘贡献’谁能比得上金家父子呢？而且你犯了个忌讳，这话以前有人说过，效果不太好，而且说这话的人恐怕论贡献比你要大很多(这网站是他写的)。<br>
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Please do not keep shifting the concept:<b> I never say I have right to change the rule of freeoz.</b> But it does not mean I cannot comment on those (like you) who kept talking about how the rule should change.<br>
<br>Some people are trying to mess up the place so that they can have more things to enjoy. So be it..<br>
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4。最后，上网是一种消遣，至少对我来说是。<br>
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Finally speak out what is really in your mind.Now I know why you are a active advocator of "freedom of speech": because you just want to have more bickers and hussles in Freeoz so that you can have more fun (at least watching). As to the existence of Freeoz, you never care. <br>
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弄得PAY不PAY的压力就太大了，不愿意开腔没有人会强迫你。<br>
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Yes, I agree.. Tell you the truth, after that post was locked, what you said in this event really made me sick (although I still agreed with you words on some other aspect. That is my bottomline:I will agree with whoever respect and tell the truth) and I have never seen some person (except Prime Minister of Japan , who did not admit the invasion to China in WW2) who did not have any respect to truth. That is why I talked.<br>
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当然，我也并不认为有谁会为这种水准的文章付钱，觉得你操心太多了。TAKE IT了EASY。<br>
the person who has the 水准 as you will never understand.

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我觉得有规定，就应该严格执行，论坛顶头挂着不允许地域性的言论。实际执行却不处理。那还不如干脆取消这一个规则。执法必严。如果自己定的规矩都不遵守，那定这些规矩还有什么用？