关于会计工作

yuhanchina

本人正在寻找会计工作， 本人在上海有六年的会计工作经验。投了无数简历， 目前连面试的机会都没有。 日前接到一个会计师楼的面试电话，好像是华人开的。 可以提供实习机会，实习和训练的内容主要就是用Myob做帐， 日常的BAS。以及一些增加Local experience的东西。 要价1600Aud。请问大家， 这种实习机会靠谱吗？ 能帮你找到工作吗？ 实习的这些东西， 能放进Resume?  非常感谢大家积极发言。

转啊转

会计这么难找啊

牧马人

可以放进简历，但不会很有用，这些华人会计师行吃的就是现在找工找到疯了的无本地经验的会计们。

西澳海豚

实习反倒贴钱？

我还以为我实习做白工已经够惨了----------------

牧马人

西澳瓶鼻海豚 发表于 2-3-2015 22:15
实习反倒贴钱？

我还以为我实习做白工已经够惨了----------------

取决于一个行业desperate的程度

MICHELLE07

看到一篇文章，贴出来。
Are unpaid internships good experience or exploitation?

Are unpaid internships beneficial to young Australians, or a one-way street for the people who aren't paying them?

As internships have become more widespread, there is growing debate about just who they benefit. Is it free labour, invaluable experience, or something only those who are well off can afford to do?

Unpaid internships polarise opinions. Many young workers see them as a chance to showcase their skills and, with any luck, secure a permanent job. Critics see them as
a work-for-nothing trap that is open to abuse from some unscrupulous employers.

Now the debate has moved to the courts. In the US, prominent media groups such as Hearst Magazines, Fox Searchlight Pictures and Condé Nast have faced legal action over unpaid internships, while in Australia sports broadcaster Crocmedia has been in the headlines – and the Federal Circuit Court – over the issue.

That case, among others, has prompted Australia’s Fair Work Ombudsman to closely monitor the position in Australia. We canvass three views on the fairness of unpaid internships.

James Freestone

Investment analyst, Water Rock Capital

James Freestone Investment analyst WaterRock Capital James Freestone describes his experiences as an unpaid intern as “priceless”. After studying in the UK and completing four internships – one paid and three unpaid – 22-year-old Freestone now holds an investment fund management role in China.

He says he could not have reached this position without the opportunities provided by internships.

“The reality is that we live in a world where a university degree is no longer sufficient,” says Freestone. With a long-term ambition to enter a private equity firm, Freestone knew he required many years of experience in investment banking to achieve this dream and saw Shanghai as an opportunity to fast-track his career.

“To enter investment banking, I had to be at the top of my game, so Shanghai seemed like a good place to start,” he says. “Straight after graduating I packed up and left.”

Absolute Internship, a global internship provider based in London, which offers internships in China, Hong Kong, London and Singapore, slotted Freestone into a young company, an alternative asset management firm in Shanghai’s central finance district of Pudong. The internship required picking up the language and culture quickly, and helping to source Chinese investors for a US$2 billion Chicago project.

“The reality is that we live in a world where a university degree is no longer sufficient.”
“I was sent to a Rolex event to find investors and ended up discussing the current strategy of the Royal Bank of Scotland with its chief operating officer,” Freestone says. “The next day I set up a meeting between our managing partner and him, which went down very well at my firm.”

His internship led to a full-time job at WaterRock Capital, with Freestone now leading the company’s European team, which assists real estate development partners.

Freestone’s advice to employers? Give interns responsibility. “The benefits of internships for both the intern and employer blow the negatives out of the water,” he says. “This is a free market and it’s a vital part of someone’s career ladder.”

Freestone points out that interns often apply for jobs after completing a placement.

“So the internship program should be a two-way courting exercise.”

MICHELLE07

观点二：
Rosemary Owens

Labour law researcher, University of Adelaide

There is a clear risk of people being exploited if they engage in unpaid work, says Professor Rosemary Owens, an expert in the “law of work” at the University of Adelaide.
While secondary school students’ work experience is rarely an issue, the legal view becomes blurred if an internship has no formal link to education or training. Owens says anecdotal evidence suggests the incidence of unfair internships is on the rise, a trend she condemns.

“The idea that somehow young people should simply have to work for nothing is absolutely appalling in any society,” she says.

The legal, accounting and media sectors – as well as trades such as hairdressing – have a culture of providing placements or training “opportunities” for interns which can sometimes cross the line to become an unpaid, unfair work engagement. Owens says alarm bells should ring if a person has an obligation to go to work and is producing meaningful labour for a business without receiving a financial reward.

“It’s when they start to do productive work – the kind of work that if they weren’t doing it, somebody would have to be employed – that’s when you start to draw the line,” Owens says.

There are often multiple factors behind people’s decision to accept unpaid internships, including a shrinking number of jobs in their chosen field for highly qualified young people in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.

“Young people often think that doing some unpaid work will give them something additional to put on their CV and make them look more appealing,” Owens says.

“It’s when they start to do productive work – the kind of work that if they weren’t doing it, somebody would have to be employed – that’s when you start to draw the line.”
是否剥削的界限：实习生开始做富有成效的工作，如果他们不做的话，必须雇人来做。
Although critics often focus on financial injustice with unpaid internships, Owens believes that such placements raise other critical social issues. One of her major concerns is that unpaid positions often benefit the wealthy at the expense of lower socio-economic groups. It is really only those people with significant social or financial resources who can undertake free work.

“It tends to advantage those who have connections in the professions and those who can be supported either because they have their own individual financial support or their parents’ support,” Owens says. “So this is about equality of access and that is a very big social issue for us to be concerned about.”

MICHELLE07

观点三：
Melissa Fuller

Business Executive
www.ricewarner.com

The management team at financial services firm Rice Warner will not have a bar of unpaid internships. They take the view that paid placements for university students are not only fair but also reflect well on the firm and act as a starting point for providing true career paths for interns.

“Every student who comes through is paid on an hourly rate plus superannuation,” explains Melissa Fuller, Rice Warner’s deputy CEO.

“We recognise they are contributing and helping our business, so they should be rewarded for it. There’s a moral obligation, really.”

For more than a decade, Rice Warner has run a paid internship program, with students working a day each week around their university timetables. During holidays, their paid work increases. The work typically involves joining the firm’s research team and populating databases with information relating to superannuation and life insurance. Fuller says such tasks provide a good grounding for students on market products, an essential area of knowledge if the students are to later become consultants.

“For us it’s also a good way of sourcing permanent graduates,” she says. “It gives them the opportunity to get to know Rice Warner and vice versa.”

The internship program has seen a number of former university students make the transition to permanent roles at Rice Warner. Later this year, the firm will explore the notion of offering additional financial support for interns to cover some university fees.

“In exchange for that they’d need to make a commitment to the business for a certain period of time,” Fuller says.

Rice Warner’s internship program has helped the medium size business, with its 55 staff, successfully compete against the Big Four professional services firms for talent.

“Graduates look at the Big Four and think they’re the way to go, they’re a global business, so we need to find a point of differentiation to attract them,” Fuller says. “This is one way to do it.”

She concedes there may be students ready to work at Rice Warner for nothing, but the firm is not interested in such a deal.

“The arrangement needs to be beneficial for both parties. For Rice Warner, it is value for money and a great recruitment tool, and for the interns they are gaining valuable experience while being paid at the same time.”

DDD888

我妻子在上海就是会计，做了三四年了，她不会英文，现在我家出租自己的房子两间，她全职管理两个房客，房租是自动转到账上，她要保证收到房租啦

一年收房租的钱比打工好多了，关键是不用做啥事

MICHELLE07

我个人觉得无偿实习是不公平的，更何况还要付费。以前求职的时候在gumtree上登过广告，很快就有亚洲口音的人打电话过来，也是付1000多刀提供实习机会---不靠谱。

MICHELLE07

DDD888 发表于 4-3-2015 09:12
我妻子在上海就是会计，做了三四年了，现在我家出租自己的房子两间，她全职管理两个房客，她要保 ...

当房东比做会计烦恼哦~

DDD888

MICHELLE07 发表于 4-3-2015 09:16
我个人觉得无偿实习是不公平的，更何况还要付费。以前求职的时候在gumtree上登过广告，很快就有亚洲口音的 ...

支持你说的话

DDD888

MICHELLE07 发表于 4-3-2015 09:16
当房东比做会计烦恼哦~

我没烦恼

我只是帮帮手，例如一次性刷室内dulux wash&wear油漆，网上订购新的冰箱，洗衣机,给房客装个千兆的路由器。我妻子作收租的事，我不用洗厕所，房客自己洗

牧马人

DDD888 发表于 4-3-2015 09:12
我妻子在上海就是会计，做了三四年了，她不会英文，现在我家出租自己的房子两间，她全职管理两个房客:victo ...

一个房客一个星期一百多，两个也就两百多，一个月下来一千块。补贴家用还行，但真不能算收入。

DDD888

牧马人 发表于 4-3-2015 11:36
一个房客一个星期一百多，两个也就两百多，一个月下来一千块。补贴家用还行，但真不能算收入。

你错了

double

我所住的地区的两房一厅中间价位是388/周，我家租出去的优势是全独立，啥都分开啦，出入分开，分开的水电表，当然我承担无限制的38mb宽带网络

另外我家mortgage free 我感觉我家生活还过的去啦，当然没有达到想买啥就买啥的地步，我现在就在想着那samsung note 4啦

我1997年的时候向别人租房子是一个星期一百

我在想，啥时候把车库改成个两房一厅租出去，当然周租要收的低于市场中间价，这样一来，可以有点多收入啦