在Whirlpool上看到一个有意思的帖: “End of Capitalism”

JunJun2013

在Finance版看到这个帖，正好最近与人聊过这个话题，就点开来，看看他们说些什么。

一楼的内容：

Communism failed in 1989 with the collapse of the soviet union. Thanks to the third technology industrialization,the collapse of capitalism is coming
within the next 15 years – everyone should be prepared for this...But the question remains, what will replace capitalism?

共产主义在1989年苏联解体时失败了。拜第三次技术产业化所赐，资本主义也将于15年内崩溃--我们每个人都应该有准备。
现在问题来了（意译。。。 ），资本主义将被什么代替呢？


I think a co-op system is the best way to replace capitalism... what do others think? The issue is that the fearless leaders in charge will try
and hang onto power for as long as possible – its a simple disgrace.Will financial markets be around in 15 years time after the collapse in capitalism?

我认为一个兼容体系将是最好的替代品...其他人怎么想？问题是无畏的领导们会尽可能久地捍卫既有权力----毫不光彩。15年后，资本主义跨了，金融市场还存在吗？

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愚夫

有特色的社会主义啦～～～

JunJun2013

doreadme 发表于 10-12-2014 13:41
有特色的社会主义啦～～～

a co-op system是甚么？

看这个回复:

Eventually capitalism will be replaced by something else but saying that it will be replaced in 15 years is crazy. May be wishful thinking for some...

If and if capitalism collapses, the financial markets will collapse as well. There are not many alternatives to capitalism. You have feudalism封建制度 (not likely) and socialism/communism.
Anarchy无政府状态 is possible if countries nuke以核武器攻击 each other or new virus spreads and zombies start eating brains etc I haven't heard the co-op system.

惦记中国的：
(whirlpool去年的一个帖Chinese pushing-up property prices，现在还在跟。)

well China is slowly but surely moving away from Communism to Capitalism.

China hasn't been Communist for quite a while now, in my opinion they are even more capitalist than us in the west. Commercialism to the absolute extreme in every major city, with every citizen trying to get ahead of each other.

Serin

都是给资本家打工，我没看出最近有啥财富重新分配的迹象。

JunJun2013

Serin 发表于 10-12-2014 15:48
都是给资本家打工，我没看出最近有啥财富重新分配的迹象。

只要别nuke，进入Anarchy。。。财富重新分配，也还得遵守玩了几百年的游戏规则。。。15年的说法，有点情绪化吧，我觉得是一到二百年。


这个帖里讨论的内容相似
A World Without Money

这个人说，资本主义不完美，会导致资源分配不合理，不平等是它不可避免的问题。
其实，一种兼容的形式，已经存在，小范围内。

Basically, I'm highly sceptical of people who say "capitalism is dead" because of technological advances.

Capitalism isn't a perfect system. It can lead to misallocation of resources and, of course, inequality is an inevitable part of capitalism.

However, a lot of these articles posted on Whirlpool such as in this thread and in the thread I've linked to above really have little basis in reality. They're essentially thought bubbles where people float ideas without any sound foundations.

Yes, co-ops are great organisations and as pointed out above, they already exist in a capitalist system. Having a co-op on a small scale is fine – having a co-op on the scale of an organisation like Microsoft would be much, much more difficult.

A lot of these proposed alternatives seem to be essentially a re-hashing of socialism, plus magic computers that will make decisions on how things will be done and how things will be allocated. Frankly, that idea doesn't appeal to me a great deal.

牧马人

一百多年前就有人提出这些东西了，还有完备的理论，他的名字叫马克思