Which future is better? Android vs iphone?

DDD888

I looked at market share and it seems that android got 80% market. Does that mean I don't need to program in iphone and can make a good life just with Android?

TIA

tristone

我看到的评价是苹果将经历一个长期而缓慢的衰退。

至少目前iOS开发的报酬还是要比安卓系统的好不少，因为iOS进入市场比较早，在某些特定区域比如教育已经成为既定标准。这些市场的利润仍然比较高。

不过苹果在乔帮主离开后显然已经黔驴技穷，基本上只能靠吃老本过日子。我记得看到过一个苹果失败产品的round up，其中就有些便携/手持设备看起来非常“微软-ish”。估计现在苹果就在慢慢回到那个轨道。

必须说，原来乔帮主做产品是要远远强过google的。不过帮主太强了也是个坏事，因为小弟都太弱，现在的超强成了google。不过这个世界上没有永远的冠军，说不定过几年出个新系统挑战安卓也未可知。

DDD888

我刚看到android 手机100+只要798元人民币,比苹果的手机便宜多啦

http://item.jd.com/974392.html

liu_yu_1980

That's the typical question an application programmer always faces. They should think about the prospect and whether or not it's worth investing time to learn a certain set of APIs. Whereas, system soft developers enjoy lots of transferrable skills and expertise, an RTOS engineer could easily, if needed, handle the job on Xbox 360 system development, who don't need worry about issues like learning completely new APIs.

By the way, in terms of your question, few think IOS goes better than Android in the future, it seems true even for application developers, as a variety of smartphones with different SoC manufacuturers (who believes Apple is able to defeat Samsung + Qualcomm + TI + Sony + Marvell + Freescale + CSR + MTK + HTC + ...), strongly boost Android platform, not mention Linux kernel itself, compared to a extremely closed IOS system. The fact has always been that both BSP and application developers favor Android.

liu_yu_1980

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 11:29

                               
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我刚看到android 手机100+只要798元人民币,比苹果的手机便宜多啦

http://item.jd.com/974392.html

More choices, higher cost-effective, that's competitiveness of Android-based products.

liu_yu_1980

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 09:17

                               
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我看到的评价是苹果将经历一个长期而缓慢的衰退。

至少目前iOS开发的报酬还是要比安卓系统的好不少，因为 ...

In general, technical people favor Android, while businessmen like iPhone. The latter type of people are by far more than the former, that's why Apple has earned so much.

tristone

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 12:49

                               
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In general, technical people favor Android, while businessmen like iPhone. The latter type of peop ...

这两个平台的绝大多数用户都和technical/business没有任何关系。

DDD888

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 12:45

                               
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That's the typical question a application programmer always faces. They should think about the prosp ...

I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one I don't like is that I have to buy a iphone myself which is at least NZ$299 and a apple developer account US$99 per year. I don't like to pay money.

I already paid NZ$700 something on a samsung s2 android phone out of my own pocket.

tristone

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:06

                               
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I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one ...

关于设备，如果你要做有点认真的开发的话，肯定得买。这个跟Android/iOS没有关系。加速度计、电磁罗盘、NFC、摄像头之类的传感器要么用软件无法模拟，要么效果基本上接近不可用。只是安卓的手机一般比较便宜。

苹果的开发者license，基本上跟免费也没啥差别。主要起验证作用，证明你差不多是个真的人而不是bot。

liu_yu_1980

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 13:10

                               
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关于设备，如果你要做有点认真的开发的话，肯定得买。这个跟Android/iOS没有关系。加速度计、电磁罗盘、N ...

I meant unlike Linux/WinCE/RTOS , IOS is a closed-system that no one else is allowed to run it on their own product.

liu_yu_1980

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 13:05

                               
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这两个平台的绝大多数用户都和technical/business没有任何关系。

I just found many embedded system engineers use Android/Linux-based phone(not me, I use a feature phone), which is easy to hack and make some changes. One of my former colleagues even ported Android himself(with video/touchscreen/keypad working well) to his Linux-based smartphone.

liu_yu_1980

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:06

                               
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I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one ...

Even though you don't think it's difficult to start, it still takes you time before being familiar with a number of APIs, that's one point I mentioned. And if you repeatedly learn those sort of thing containing a similar concept, it would be a waste of time in my opinion, you are manipulated by the system API designer all the time. Unfortunately, I've become one of these programmers now.

Apple is far from developer-friendly, as I said before, its strategy focuses on business users rather than developers. By contrast, Google never charge the developers but the consumers.

DDD888

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:20

                               
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I just found many embedded system engineers use Android/Linux-based phone(not me, I use a feature  ...

I think Android is more fun.

liu_yu_1980

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:26

                               
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I think Android is more fun.

Because you've proved to be a developer. Open-source systems are always the treasures for prone-technology developers, but not necessarily attractive for businessmen.

liu_yu_1980

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:06

                               
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I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one ...

You seem to be in NZ at the moment, Auckland?

tristone

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:20

                               
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I just found many embedded system engineers use Android/Linux-based phone(not me, I use a feature  ...

你 + 你的同事  =/= 绝大多数智能手机用户，你们也没有购买绝大多数安卓手机。你滴，明白？

tristone

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:16

                               
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I meant unlike Linux/WinCE/RTOS , IOS is a closed-system that no one else is allowed to run it on  ...

你要把手机系统和通用系统放在一起比的话（不觉得滑稽么），安卓的底层是Linux，iOS底层是FreeBSD。开放性上有多大差别？

DDD888

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:40

                               
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You seem to be in NZ at the moment, Auckland?

Yes since 1997, live on North Shore, Auckland

woodheadz

现在html5越来越成熟了。如果你要做的东西不是特别如何，可以考虑上html5+js

liu_yu_1980

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 14:10

                               
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你要把手机系统和通用系统放在一起比的话（不觉得滑稽么），安卓的底层是Linux，iOS底层是FreeBSD。开放性 ...

I just said, Android, a typical open-source system, has been widely adopted by numerous smartphone designers while IOS is controlled by Apple itself.

liu_yu_1980

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 14:16

                               
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Yes since 1997, live on North Shore, Auckland

You work in which company?
I'm in city, and live in New Lynn.

DDD888

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 14:54

                               
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You work in which company?
I'm in city, and live in New Lynn.

I work from home for an Australian company.

DDD888

woodheadz 发表于 23-9-2013 14:47

                               
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现在html5越来越成熟了。如果你要做的东西不是特别如何，可以考虑上html5+js

But html is not native on iphone/android. I want native code.

liu_yu_1980

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 14:07

                               
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你 + 你的同事  =/= 绝大多数智能手机用户，你们也没有购买绝大多数安卓手机。你滴，明白？

Just Samsung has outstripped the share of Apple in US market. Be aware that Android means a swarm of smartphone brands, not just one company.

liu_yu_1980

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 14:59

                               
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I work from home for an Australian company.

Cool, you write Android APP for them and that makes more money?

levine

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 15:38

                               
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Cool, you write Android APP for them and that makes more money?

他只是在自学呢.

tristone

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 15:37

                               
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Just Samsung has outstripped the share of Apple in US market. Be aware that Android means a swarm  ...

你的逻辑有多大问题你知道么？你原来说的什么？用安卓的大多是技术人员，用iPhone的大多是business。买安卓的有多少是技术人员？跟市场分额有毛关系？

liu_yu_1980

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 16:27

                               
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你的逻辑有多大问题你知道么？你原来说的什么？用安卓的大多是技术人员，用iPhone的大多是business。买安 ...

It's the chaos in your mind, not mine. I said most embedded system developers favor Android phone due to the familiarity of the OS, which doesn't mean, all the android phone holders are necessarily technical engineers.

The Samsung led cost-effective Android phones have proved to defeated iphone in the market share. We are looking forward to the plight Apple is going have, just as they were defeated by Microsoft/IBM in 1990s.

liu_yu_1980

Closed-source OS has proved to have worse prospect in embedded electronics market. Microsoft has taken such lesson, and they've got WinCE kernel 100% open source now. Initially Microsoft boasted their technologies, however we all saw the fact that open-source Linux was increasingly attracting top-skill people around the world, in other words, Microsoft was not fighting with any company, but those top-skill people from various places. That's also the reason Google succeeded. Nowadays, if any company still assumes they hold the strongest technology throughout the world forever, they would proved to be fools. As a result, the downfall of Apple is just a matter of time.

DDD888

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 15:38

                               
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Cool, you write Android APP for them and that makes more money?

That is the reason that I asked for a raise for developing Android app for the company.