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作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 09:03
标题: Which future is better? Android vs iphone?
I looked at market share and it seems that android got 80% market. Does that mean I don't need to program in iphone and can make a good life just with Android?

TIA

作者: tristone 时间: 23-9-2013 10:17
我看到的评价是苹果将经历一个长期而缓慢的衰退。

至少目前iOS开发的报酬还是要比安卓系统的好不少，因为iOS进入市场比较早，在某些特定区域比如教育已经成为既定标准。这些市场的利润仍然比较高。

不过苹果在乔帮主离开后显然已经黔驴技穷，基本上只能靠吃老本过日子。我记得看到过一个苹果失败产品的round up，其中就有些便携/手持设备看起来非常“微软-ish”。估计现在苹果就在慢慢回到那个轨道。

必须说，原来乔帮主做产品是要远远强过google的。不过帮主太强了也是个坏事，因为小弟都太弱，现在的超强成了google。不过这个世界上没有永远的冠军，说不定过几年出个新系统挑战安卓也未可知。

作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 12:29
我刚看到android 手机100+只要798元人民币,比苹果的手机便宜多啦

http://item.jd.com/974392.html

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 13:45
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That's the typical question an application programmer always faces. They should think about the prospect and whether or not it's worth investing time to learn a certain set of APIs. Whereas, system soft developers enjoy lots of transferrable skills and expertise, an RTOS engineer could easily, if needed, handle the job on Xbox 360 system development, who don't need worry about issues like learning completely new APIs.

By the way, in terms of your question, few think IOS goes better than Android in the future, it seems true even for application developers, as a variety of smartphones with different SoC manufacuturers (who believes Apple is able to defeat Samsung + Qualcomm + TI + Sony + Marvell + Freescale + CSR + MTK + HTC + ...), strongly boost Android platform, not mention Linux kernel itself, compared to a extremely closed IOS system. The fact has always been that both BSP and application developers favor Android.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 13:47

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 11:29

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我刚看到android 手机100+只要798元人民币,比苹果的手机便宜多啦

http://item.jd.com/974392.html

More choices, higher cost-effective, that's competitiveness of Android-based products.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 13:49

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 09:17

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我看到的评价是苹果将经历一个长期而缓慢的衰退。

至少目前iOS开发的报酬还是要比安卓系统的好不少，因为 ...

In general, technical people favor Android, while businessmen like iPhone. The latter type of people are by far more than the former, that's why Apple has earned so much.

作者: tristone 时间: 23-9-2013 14:05

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 12:49

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In general, technical people favor Android, while businessmen like iPhone. The latter type of peop ...

这两个平台的绝大多数用户都和technical/business没有任何关系。

作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 14:06
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liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 12:45

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That's the typical question a application programmer always faces. They should think about the prosp ...

I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one I don't like is that I have to buy a iphone myself which is at least NZ$299 and a apple developer account US$99 per year. I don't like to pay money.

I already paid NZ$700 something on a samsung s2 android phone out of my own pocket.

作者: tristone 时间: 23-9-2013 14:10

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:06

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I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one ...

关于设备，如果你要做有点认真的开发的话，肯定得买。这个跟Android/iOS没有关系。加速度计、电磁罗盘、NFC、摄像头之类的传感器要么用软件无法模拟，要么效果基本上接近不可用。只是安卓的手机一般比较便宜。

苹果的开发者license，基本上跟免费也没啥差别。主要起验证作用，证明你差不多是个真的人而不是bot。

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 14:16

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 13:10

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关于设备，如果你要做有点认真的开发的话，肯定得买。这个跟Android/iOS没有关系。加速度计、电磁罗盘、N ...

I meant unlike Linux/WinCE/RTOS , IOS is a closed-system that no one else is allowed to run it on their own product.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 14:20

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 13:05

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这两个平台的绝大多数用户都和technical/business没有任何关系。

I just found many embedded system engineers use Android/Linux-based phone(not me, I use a feature phone), which is easy to hack and make some changes. One of my former colleagues even ported Android himself(with video/touchscreen/keypad working well) to his Linux-based smartphone.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 14:26

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:06

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I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one ...

Even though you don't think it's difficult to start, it still takes you time before being familiar with a number of APIs, that's one point I mentioned. And if you repeatedly learn those sort of thing containing a similar concept, it would be a waste of time in my opinion, you are manipulated by the system API designer all the time. Unfortunately, I've become one of these programmers now.

Apple is far from developer-friendly, as I said before, its strategy focuses on business users rather than developers. By contrast, Google never charge the developers but the consumers.

作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 14:26

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:20

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I just found many embedded system engineers use Android/Linux-based phone(not me, I use a feature ...

I think Android is more fun.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 14:30

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:26

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I think Android is more fun.

Because you've proved to be a developer. Open-source systems are always the treasures for prone-technology developers, but not necessarily attractive for businessmen.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 14:40

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 13:06

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I think that I have the knowledge to cover iphone/ipad/ipod touch programming level.

The one ...

You seem to be in NZ at the moment, Auckland?

作者: tristone 时间: 23-9-2013 15:07

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:20

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I just found many embedded system engineers use Android/Linux-based phone(not me, I use a feature ...

你 + 你的同事 =/= 绝大多数智能手机用户，你们也没有购买绝大多数安卓手机。你滴，明白？

作者: tristone 时间: 23-9-2013 15:10

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:16

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I meant unlike Linux/WinCE/RTOS , IOS is a closed-system that no one else is allowed to run it on ...

你要把手机系统和通用系统放在一起比的话（不觉得滑稽么），安卓的底层是Linux，iOS底层是FreeBSD。开放性上有多大差别？

作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 15:16
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liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 13:40

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You seem to be in NZ at the moment, Auckland?

Yes since 1997, live on North Shore, Auckland

作者: woodheadz 时间: 23-9-2013 15:47
现在html5越来越成熟了。如果你要做的东西不是特别如何，可以考虑上html5+js

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 15:53
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tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 14:10

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你要把手机系统和通用系统放在一起比的话（不觉得滑稽么），安卓的底层是Linux，iOS底层是FreeBSD。开放性 ...

I just said, Android, a typical open-source system, has been widely adopted by numerous smartphone designers while IOS is controlled by Apple itself.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 15:54

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 14:16

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Yes since 1997, live on North Shore, Auckland

You work in which company?
I'm in city, and live in New Lynn.

作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 15:59

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 14:54

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You work in which company?
I'm in city, and live in New Lynn.

I work from home for an Australian company.

作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 16:00

woodheadz 发表于 23-9-2013 14:47

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现在html5越来越成熟了。如果你要做的东西不是特别如何，可以考虑上html5+js

But html is not native on iphone/android. I want native code.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 16:37

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 14:07

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你 + 你的同事 =/= 绝大多数智能手机用户，你们也没有购买绝大多数安卓手机。你滴，明白？

Just Samsung has outstripped the share of Apple in US market. Be aware that Android means a swarm of smartphone brands, not just one company.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 16:38

DDD888 发表于 23-9-2013 14:59

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I work from home for an Australian company.

Cool, you write Android APP for them and that makes more money?

作者: levine 时间: 23-9-2013 17:23

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 15:38

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Cool, you write Android APP for them and that makes more money?

他只是在自学呢.

作者: tristone 时间: 23-9-2013 17:27

liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 15:37

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Just Samsung has outstripped the share of Apple in US market. Be aware that Android means a swarm ...

你的逻辑有多大问题你知道么？你原来说的什么？用安卓的大多是技术人员，用iPhone的大多是business。买安卓的有多少是技术人员？跟市场分额有毛关系？

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 18:02

tristone 发表于 23-9-2013 16:27

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你的逻辑有多大问题你知道么？你原来说的什么？用安卓的大多是技术人员，用iPhone的大多是business。买安 ...

It's the chaos in your mind, not mine. I said most embedded system developers favor Android phone due to the familiarity of the OS, which doesn't mean, all the android phone holders are necessarily technical engineers.

The Samsung led cost-effective Android phones have proved to defeated iphone in the market share. We are looking forward to the plight Apple is going have, just as they were defeated by Microsoft/IBM in 1990s.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 23-9-2013 18:11
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Closed-source OS has proved to have worse prospect in embedded electronics market. Microsoft has taken such lesson, and they've got WinCE kernel 100% open source now. Initially Microsoft boasted their technologies, however we all saw the fact that open-source Linux was increasingly attracting top-skill people around the world, in other words, Microsoft was not fighting with any company, but those top-skill people from various places. That's also the reason Google succeeded. Nowadays, if any company still assumes they hold the strongest technology throughout the world forever, they would proved to be fools. As a result, the downfall of Apple is just a matter of time.

作者: DDD888 时间: 23-9-2013 19:44
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liu_yu_1980 发表于 23-9-2013 15:38

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Cool, you write Android APP for them and that makes more money?

That is the reason that I asked for a raise for developing Android app for the company.

作者: DDD888 时间: 24-9-2013 13:46
我今天做测试bluetooth tethering, 我把我的samsung s2手机放到不用的冰箱里(在车库里),关上冰箱(另外我也试了将手机放在奶粉罐里),然后运行我写的程序在samsung tab 2 10.1上,竟然可以通过s2连电话公司的3G上网,我简直不相信,把S2关了,程序就得不到了数据,科技真是发达

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 24-9-2013 14:06

DDD888 发表于 24-9-2013 14:46

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我今天做测试bluetooth tethering, 我把我的samsung s2手机放到不用的冰箱里(在车库里),关上冰箱(另外我也试 ...

That's the fun of doing system development, confronting the fundamental details of cutting-edge technology, which API callers won't experience.

作者: DDD888 时间: 24-9-2013 15:41

liu_yu_1980 发表于 24-9-2013 13:06

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That's the fun of doing system development, confronting the fundamental details of cutting-edge te ...

是的啦,记的几年前在Massey university E-center 看到其他公司的人拿着Windows phone连GPS在大楼里转,好羡慕啊

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 24-9-2013 15:52
哈哈
写个蓝牙应用就是system development，简直让人笑掉大牙了

作者: DDD888 时间: 24-9-2013 15:59

planetkeeper 发表于 24-9-2013 14:52

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哈哈
写个蓝牙应用就是system development，简直让人笑掉大牙了

澄清下,我没有写蓝牙应用,我只不过测试我写的Android程序是否use Bluetooth tethering会crash.

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 24-9-2013 16:00

DDD888 发表于 24-9-2013 14:59

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澄清下,我没有写蓝牙应用,我只不过测试我写的Android程序是否use Bluetooth tethering会crash.

不关你的事啊，你又没说在做系统开发，我笑得某些浅薄的小朋友

作者: DDD888 时间: 24-9-2013 16:01
BTW, it is more than 4 times slower to use bluetooth tethering than direct connect to wifi router to internet. The distance between the phone and tablet is less than 10cm.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 24-9-2013 18:00

planetkeeper 发表于 24-9-2013 17:00

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不关你的事啊，你又没说在做系统开发，我笑得某些浅薄的小朋友

I developed bluetooth driver/protocol on Android-platform before.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 24-9-2013 18:02

planetkeeper 发表于 24-9-2013 16:52

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哈哈
写个蓝牙应用就是system development，简直让人笑掉大牙了

Shut up, PRC SB, Go back to your hometown communist regime!

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 24-9-2013 20:18

liu_yu_1980 发表于 24-9-2013 17:02

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Shut up, PRC SB, Go back to your hometown communist regime!

小朋友继续嗮素质，你这点水平就别吹了

你不是要去跪舔鬼佬，不是不混中文论坛吗
怎么有舔着脸爬回来了

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 24-9-2013 20:43

planetkeeper 发表于 24-9-2013 21:18

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小朋友继续嗮素质，你这点水平就别吹了

你不是要去跪舔鬼佬，不是不混中文论坛吗

You know the best thing I feel after I left PRC is that, the communist loyalists like you have become minority here, that won't threaten me at all, hahaha.

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 24-9-2013 21:35

liu_yu_1980 发表于 24-9-2013 19:43

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You know the best thing I feel after I left PRC is that, the communist loyalists like you have bec ...

写个linux driver就当自己天下无敌了，无知者无畏就是这样了

自卑自傲，又有被害妄想，没治了

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 24-9-2013 21:46

planetkeeper 发表于 24-9-2013 22:35

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写个linux driver就当自己天下无敌了，无知者无畏就是这样了

自卑自傲，又有被害妄想，没治了

At least better than the PRC SB like you.

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 24-9-2013 22:10

liu_yu_1980 发表于 24-9-2013 20:46

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At least better than the PRC SB like you.

这里只有一个不断犯贱的傻逼

作者: woailvzi 时间: 24-9-2013 22:53
任选一个，做个app玩玩先，基本技术差不多。如果本身Java熟悉的话，建议选Android。Android社区越来越好了，Google的Android Developer Relation Team经常搞些讲座，讲些小技巧。建议加入Google＋，关注些牛人和小组。

作者: DDD888 时间: 25-9-2013 09:01

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BTW, it is more than 4 times slower to use bluetooth tethering than direct connect to wifi router to ...

I was wrong. The speed is around the same as direct to wifi router.

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 25-9-2013 12:55
蓝牙峰值也就24M左右，而最新的Wifi都支持到300M左右了
当然会拖后腿了，这个feature属于削足适履，其实没啥大用

作者: DDD888 时间: 25-9-2013 13:01

planetkeeper 发表于 25-9-2013 11:55

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蓝牙峰值也就24M左右，而最新的Wifi都支持到300M左右了
当然会拖后腿了，这个feature属于削足适履，其实没 ...

wifi 的速度会因为距离,隔不隔墙而显著下跌啦

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 25-9-2013 14:03

DDD888 发表于 25-9-2013 12:01

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wifi 的速度会因为距离,隔不隔墙而显著下跌啦

我说得是峰值啊

要说因为距离，bluetooth更加没法和wifi比了，10米撑死了

作者: DDD888 时间: 25-9-2013 14:27

planetkeeper 发表于 25-9-2013 13:03

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我说得是峰值啊

要说因为距离，bluetooth更加没法和wifi比了，10米撑死了

但为啥我把手机放在不工作的冰箱里关上门仍旧可以正常工作呢?

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 25-9-2013 14:45
只论穿墙的话，蓝牙wifi都是半径八两，低频端都这个鸟样
但是无线这个东西很难说的，可能你运气好正好放在了中点上

作者: DDD888 时间: 25-9-2013 15:07
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planetkeeper 发表于 25-9-2013 13:45

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只论穿墙的话，蓝牙wifi都是半径八两，低频端都这个鸟样
但是无线这个东西很难说的，可能你运气好正好放在 ...

你知道如何读别人手机wifi/bluetooth的id 啊?假设别人带着手机从你的手机旁边经过,同时别人也没有想去连接你的手机

i.e. http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/wireless_network_view.html
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/bluetooth_viewer.html

Do you know how they do it?

作者: planetkeeper 时间: 25-9-2013 15:41
bluetooth那个的实现原理不清楚
wireless那个看介绍就是做hotspot，现在大部分手机都可以做到
然后让附近device搜到你这个热点

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