请教关于税的问题

czhu

如果人在悉尼，在家工作，做的是中国的事，钱由中国的公司付到中国的帐号上， 请问这样还要报澳大利亚的税吗？
谢谢了

czhu

我在悉尼租房子，在家办公，基本不用去办公室，请问我的房租可以作为收入相关的费用抵扣吗？公司让我转到悉尼，答应我可以在家办公，是不是房租可以当成收入相关的费用，从而可以降低我的应税收入哪？谢谢

jamesfan123

好问题，就比方如果你以澳洲护照进入中国工作，所得的收入是不是还要去澳洲税务局报税？关注中。。。

czhu

顶一下，请那位大虾帮帮忙。多谢多谢了

老顽童

海外收入不用在澳洲纳税，但政府要求你申报，你申没申报我不知道。

czhu

谢谢老顽童， 请问您是否知道如果我将海外收入报税的话，是否要补交税款呢。
现在正要和公司谈具体细节，税是一个很重要的因素， 可能会有两个选择：
- 和国内的公司补签一份合同，说明要派我去悉尼工作，所有的福利， 工资都由国内的公司付到我在国内的帐号
- 国内的公司和悉尼的公司签一份派遣合同，将我派到悉尼工作，所有的福利， 工资都由悉尼的公司付

如果国内的收入算海外收入， 不需报税的话，那我就和国内的公司补签一份合同好了，这样税会少交很多。如果还是要报澳洲收入，还要补交， 那就只能和悉尼的公司签了。 请问有没有人和我情况类是的呢

shuangchao

The question here is whether you are a Australian resident for tax purpose
you already said you live in Sydney, if your families are here, and you have been in Australia for a reasonable period of time. then there is a good chance that you are an Australian resident for tax purpose. In which case, your chinese income is taxable here regardless of whether it is banked here or not.
I can not tell you a definitive answer unless i know more about your personal details

czhu

原帖由 shuangchao 于 1-5-2009 23:06 发表

                               
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The question here is whether you are a Australian resident for tax purpose
you already said you live in Sydney, if your families are here, and you have been in Australia for a reasonable period of ti ...

谢谢，估计我们会在澳洲待2年，又是136PR, 所以肯定是税务意义上的居民。
如果和澳洲公司签合同，是否工资还要被扣掉social securities( super annuation?)and medical levey,我们不打算将来在澳洲养老，所以不想交这笔钱。
那如果我继续和中国公司签合同，所有的东西都和我原来在国内一样，唯一的区别就是我人在澳洲。可不可以我在财年结束后申报该年的税就可以了呢？
个人感觉和中国公司签合同，净收入会高一些。
问题比较多，谢谢了

shuangchao

原帖由 czhu 于 2-5-2009 14:00 发表

                               
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谢谢，估计我们会在澳洲待2年，又是136PR, 所以肯定是税务意义上的居民。
如果和澳洲公司签合同，是否工资还要被扣掉social securities( super annuation?)and medical levey,我们不打算将来在澳洲养老，所以不想 ...

Tax residency is really the key here, will you be in Australia for 2 years continuously? or you have to constantly go back for work purpose. Your living arrangement and your other Australian investment are also important on determining this issue. The information you have given so far, does me tell me that you are "肯定是税务意义上的居民".

Let's assume that you are Australian resident for tax purpose and you "work in" Australia. in that case, regardless of which country you sign the contract with, your income will be taxed here in Australia, The this tax will include the medicare levy, the only difference is if you work for Australian company, the medicare levy is withheld progressively, but ultimately it you pay the same tax in terms of medicare levy.

Now, secondly, "superannuations". let's say the chinese company pay the superannuation compoent to you rather then to the superfund. This money will be taxed at year end too, and it will based on your overall income level (in other words, it could be taxed as high as 45%). Whereas, if it goes into a superfund, it gets taxed at 15%.

Having said all the above, any issue inrelation to foreign income and residency is often very complex and can not be cover in one or two paragraphs. You should consult with an experienced accountant face to face before signing the contract.

czhu

原帖由 shuangchao 于 3-5-2009 14:56 发表

                               
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Tax residency is really the key here, will you be in Australia for 2 years continuously? or you have to constantly go back for work purpose. Your living arrangement and your other Australian investm ...

谢谢，我们不打算在澳洲有任何的投资活动，基本这2年我们都会待在悉尼。 所以我们肯定是税务上的居民
如果一个中国的公司派人到澳洲工作，所有的钱都在中国付，那公司一定要付澳洲的superfund?
是不是个人只要报税就可以了呢？
谢谢了

luoyi727

i assume czhu's chinese income will be taxed in china, according to double tax agreement, alrough his income has to be reported in australia, and pay tax according to personal marginal rate, he still can get oversea tax credit(equals the tax been withheld by chinese emploer),  what do you think shuangchao?

shuangchao

原帖由 czhu 于 3-5-2009 15:22 发表

                               
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谢谢，我们不打算在澳洲有任何的投资活动，基本这2年我们都会待在悉尼。 所以我们肯定是税务上的居民
如果一个中国的公司派人到澳洲工作，所有的钱都在中国付，那公司一定要付澳洲的superfund?
是不是个人只要报 ...

No, the chinese company has no obligations to follow Australian rules and pay superannuation.

czhu

原帖由 luoyi727 于 3-5-2009 16:29 发表

                               
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i assume czhu's chinese income will be taxed in china, according to double tax agreement, alrough his income has to be reported in australia, and pay tax according to personal marginal rate, he still  ...

谢谢，这个和我想的差不多。
顺便说一下，我也是做财务的。谢谢啦

czhu

原帖由 shuangchao 于 3-5-2009 17:05 发表

                               
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No, the chinese company has no obligations to follow Australian rules and pay superannuation.

谢谢，请问这种做法会引起PE issue 吗？

shuangchao

原帖由 czhu 于 3-5-2009 19:46 发表

                               
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谢谢，请问这种做法会引起PE issue 吗？

As in permanent establishment? are you now talking from your company's persepctive.

shuangchao

原帖由 luoyi727 于 3-5-2009 16:29 发表

                               
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i assume czhu's chinese income will be taxed in china, according to double tax agreement, alrough his income has to be reported in australia, and pay tax according to personal marginal rate, he still  ...

yes, i agree.

czhu

原帖由 shuangchao 于 3-5-2009 21:21 发表

                               
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As in permanent establishment? are you now talking from your company's persepctive.

Yes, I'm. If the China company will have PE issue in Australia caused by my stay in SYD, probably the option will not be agreed by management.

Thanks.

shuangchao

原帖由 czhu 于 3-5-2009 21:56 发表

                               
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Yes, I'm. If the China company will have PE issue in Australia caused by my stay in SYD, probably the option will not be agreed by management.

Thanks.

I believe it very much depend on your role here in Australia, are you deriving income here in Australia on behalf of your company? e.g. Your existence here is almost like a branch office of your company, you sign contracts with local Australian customers and generate revenues for chinese company. in another words, a business is conduct here by you on behalf of your oversea company

czhu

谢谢
我只是在家办公，做一些中国的财务，不和任何客户接触的。所有的事情都是和中国有关的，不从客户那里取得任何的收入。谢谢

leslie1207

谁说海外收入不要报税的，自己去看看TAX LAW，要报的好伐～

shuangchao

原帖由 czhu 于 4-5-2009 22:59 发表

                               
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谢谢
我只是在家办公，做一些中国的财务，不和任何客户接触的。所有的事情都是和中国有关的，不从客户那里取得任何的收入。谢谢

No, based on the information you given so far, i don't believe there is an PE issue, you are working on chinese accounts but from a foreign location, there is no business conducted in this country.

czhu

原帖由 shuangchao 于 5-5-2009 10:44 发表

                               
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No, based on the information you given so far, i don't believe there is an PE issue, you are working on chinese accounts but from a foreign location, there is no business conducted in this country ...

Thanks a lot for your kind advice